Ag wages board. Sick pay

beef 1

Member
Location
north yorkshire
In the event of a no fault accident at work, or even general sickness the ag wages board states that a farm worker should receive full basic pay.
As the workers are in general not entitled to claim the normal sick pay from the Gov as others , who or when or how long does the employer have to pay this for, then what ? '
and where would I find the regulations as guidance . Im being told that employers liability insurance in not what this is about , and im struggling to get my head round where I can find the relevant rules to cover this which must be a very common problem . Any help /advice please ?
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
In the event of a no fault accident at work, or even general sickness the ag wages board states that a farm worker should receive full basic pay.
As the workers are in general not entitled to claim the normal sick pay from the Gov as others , who or when or how long does the employer have to pay this for, then what ? '
and where would I find the regulations as guidance . Im being told that employers liability insurance in not what this is about , and im struggling to get my head round where I can find the relevant rules to cover this which must be a very common problem . Any help /advice please ?
Why aren’t PAYE workers eligible for HMG SSP?
 

chipchap

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South Shropshire
Many farmers carry insurance to cover the difference between SSP and Agricultural Wages Sick Pay.

I remember having a dispute with my insurer because I was paying a premium over AWB rates.
 

henry

Member
Location
Herefordshire
In the event of a no fault accident at work, or even general sickness the ag wages board states that a farm worker should receive full basic pay.
As the workers are in general not entitled to claim the normal sick pay from the Gov as others , who or when or how long does the employer have to pay this for, then what ? '
and where would I find the regulations as guidance . Im being told that employers liability insurance in not what this is about , and im struggling to get my head round where I can find the relevant rules to cover this which must be a very common problem . Any help /advice please ?
If you are a member then NFU Call First will have the answers.
 

Bramble

Member
Had a long term employee (been here 30 years) off sick last year for 6 months. He was entitled to full pay for 26 weeks as he was covered by the old AWB order. I have cover for our wages with NFU, they paid out in full, no quibbles. After 6 months things start to get complicated.

If there is little/no prospect of them coming back to work after 6 months you are entitled to medically dismiss the employee. However, you have to have a medical assessment done before this can be done (cost about £200 to have a private one done) on the employee to see if they are capable of returning to there old job. In our case we agreed a ‘graduated’ return to work with the employee, which was quite flexible, and his salary was adjusted according to how many hours he was able to do. He is now back to work full time, on full pay, and able to carry out 90% of his duties.

I wasn’t keen on going down the medical dismissal route, finding a new member of staff would have been a real hassle. Plus the guy had been here so long
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Had a long term employee (been here 30 years) off sick last year for 6 months. He was entitled to full pay for 26 weeks as he was covered by the old AWB order. I have cover for our wages with NFU, they paid out in full, no quibbles. After 6 months things start to get complicated.

If there is little/no prospect of them coming back to work after 6 months you are entitled to medically dismiss the employee. However, you have to have a medical assessment done before this can be done (cost about £200 to have a private one done) on the employee to see if they are capable of returning to there old job. In our case we agreed a ‘graduated’ return to work with the employee, which was quite flexible, and his salary was adjusted according to how many hours he was able to do. He is now back to work full time, on full pay, and able to carry out 90% of his duties.

I wasn’t keen on going down the medical dismissal route, finding a new member of staff would have been a real hassle. Plus the guy had been here so long
Sounds like a good outcome, for you both
Sickness Absence - Full pay for 6 months off, half pay for the next 6 months is the norm in most PAYE roles, in other sectors
 

Bramble

Member
Sounds like a good outcome, for you both
Sickness Absence - Full pay for 6 months off, half pay for the next 6 months is the norm in most PAYE roles, in other sectors
6 months full pay and 6 months half pay sounds incredibly generous. Maybe it’s another thing that agriculture needs to catch up on.

The wages cover in my business policy is the single most expensive section, nearly 40% of the total bill, but well worth it.
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
6 months full pay and 6 months half pay sounds incredibly generous. Maybe it’s another thing that agriculture needs to catch up on.

The wages cover in my business policy is the single most expensive section, nearly 40% of the total bill, but well worth it.
Not generous at all, just the norm for salaried PAYE staff in other sectors
NHS
Local government
Civil service
Machinery & Motor dealers
Banks
High St shops
Construction and Factory workers
Ag suppliers and Feed manufacturers

is Ag different for PAYE salaried staff
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Not generous at all, just the norm for salaried PAYE staff in other sectors
NHS
Local government
Civil service
Machinery & Motor dealers
Banks
High St shops
Construction and Factory workers
Ag suppliers and Feed manufacturers

is Ag different for PAYE salaried staff
Very much depends on the employer. I knew a driver off long term with cancer. He'd been with the haulage firm (a large national blue chip) for over a decade.

He had 6 weeks full pay then on to SSP.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Cumbria
Not generous at all, just the norm for salaried PAYE staff in other sectors
NHS
Local government
Civil service
Machinery & Motor dealers
Banks
High St shops
Construction and Factory workers
Ag suppliers and Feed manufacturers

is Ag different for PAYE salaried staff
I think you will find in the private sector, that it's normally 4 weeks sick pay in the first year of working for them, and then in year 2 and so forth, a weeks extra sick pay is added each year, to a maximum of 12 weeks off in 52, after your full sick pay, it is back to SSP
 

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