Aggressive cow and calf

crofteress

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Livestock Farmer
This happened 8,9 years ago yes I still think about it but cattle are no were near caravanners now.
I also have a caravan site and about 15 years ago a bull actually got into the site . Retrieved it with a halter and bucket before anyone appeared out of their caravans. I keep the site closed now until cows are out to grass, just the idea of the public and cows with calves albeit housed ,too many variables that could lead to an accident
 

ESC

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Mixed Farmer
Yeah exactly like you said, trying to “play” with us, the mom isn’t bad alone you just can’t pet her but if you get tough with her you get your way, the bullock is very lively and he is the actual danger.
Update on the thread, we bought a fair sized pasture right next to us so they can graze there now with no interference or danger as it is completely fenced off. Thanks to everyone for their input
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Update on the thread, we bought a fair sized pasture right next to us so they can graze there now with no interference or danger as it is completely fenced off. Thanks to everyone for their input
You ARE going to have to handle them now and again for routine health issues, TB testing and all kind of reasons. They are a real safety issue for you or anyone else that gets anywhere near them, including in a shed the other side of gates and such. The danger of serious injury and death to anyone, including a vet unless you have very strong and 'bullet-proof' handling facilities should not be underestimated. Plenty of very experienced farmers have come a cropper with this kind of anti-social and/or excitable to aggressive animal. Are you ready to own someone's life-changing accident or death? Could even be yours.
 

roscoe erf

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Livestock Farmer
You ARE going to have to handle them now and again for routine health issues, TB testing and all kind of reasons. They are a real safety issue for you or anyone else that gets anywhere near them, including in a shed the other side of gates and such. The danger of serious injury and death to anyone, including a vet unless you have very strong and 'bullet-proof' handling facilities should not be underestimated. Plenty of very experienced farmers have come a cropper with this kind of anti-social and/or excitable to aggressive animal. Are you ready to own someone's life-changing accident or death? Could even be yours.
too right they will still need to be handled i pity the poor vet
 

puppet

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Livestock Farmer
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sw scotland
I wouldn't be harsh as I think the OP has suggested they are too lively rather than aggressive. That description would fit many suckler cows once handled and almost 100% of some breeds I see at markets who only see a human driving a diet feeder. There are some mad cattle who always get a home.
I'm sure they can find a farmer to bring over their collection of bent gates and string (sorry, mobile handling system) for a TB test.
 

shumungus

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Livestock Farmer
Update on the thread, we bought a fair sized pasture right next to us so they can graze there now with no interference or danger as it is completely fenced off. Thanks to everyone for their input
That's good, that you have taken some more farmland out of production of food and converted to pet care, there is far too much of that smelly old farming going on anyway. It's a stroke of genius to give them more land to roam as that will definitely make them quieter and easier to handle, because when they now never see anyone from day to day they will be so happy when they do they will rush up for cuddles.
Best of luck.
Just one question, are there ear tags in these animals?
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Update on the thread, we bought a fair sized pasture right next to us so they can graze there now with no interference or danger as it is completely fenced off. Thanks to everyone for their input
I urge you to harken to my earlier advice.
If you're keeping these beasts, you need to be in control.
And shutting them in a field out of the way won't make them better on its own.
As others are warning you, letting the behaviour continue is going to get someone hurt.

I'm never to good at taking in tricks shown in the TV shows, where some dog expert, or professional nanny, shows folk how to regain control of the darling poochs/offspring
(i recall castrating is often part of the answer)
Bit i am pretty good at handling bovines beasts, and teaching them some manners if they've been allowed to get above themselves.
Yours need to know who is in charge.
They're herd animals, and accept a hierarchy- one which they're currently head of by the sound of it.
They'll still love you when you're the boss!
 

wrenbird

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Livestock Farmer
Location
HR2
Is the OP in this country? For some reason I thought they were Usa/Canada based. If that’s the case, then handling for TB testing might not be such an issue, but it is still madness to keep stock that are a potential danger because at some point, for some reason, they are going to have to be handled.
There was a chap on here last week that was going to deal with a beast with a similar temperament by lobbing a few spare prescription drugs at it, maybe he could give the OP a few pointers.:rolleyes:
 

Bald n Grumpy

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Livestock Farmer
Update on the thread, we bought a fair sized pasture right next to us so they can graze there now with no interference or danger as it is completely fenced off. Thanks to everyone for their input
Yet to see a field fence that will stop unmanaged cattle!
Hope you don't regret your decision in the future
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
When calving particularly aggressive Galloways have always made a habit of carrying a handy baseball bat which has once or twice saved my life, sounds a bit rough but one tap & they soon recognise if you aren't carrying it.
 

Wisconsonian

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Trade
Are you familiar with the story of the adolescent male elephants starting to kill rhinos? apparently they were raised in isolation from bull elephants, and lacked something in their upbringing. Universal story really. Castrating the calf would help, but way too little way to late I'd guess.

A jersey milk cow has been mentioned, that would be a more manageable pet. Even better would be a Toggenburg milk goat, if you can't handle a Toggenburg milking goat, then stick with house plants.
 

Longlowdog

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
I'm what most folk would consider a hobby farmer, small bunch of sheep, scratch ears, give most a name of sorts. I've put tups away for slaughter that tried to hurt folk when I started them too kindly. I'm going to be blunt, you are a bl00dy liability. When some poor unsuspecting walker, telephone/electric line walker, lost Duke of Edinburgh training youth gets paralysed from the neck down you will be solely responsible. If you are are not insured you will lose everything in the ensuing lawsuit and rightly so. If you have even a scrap of human decency it will wake you with nightmares for the rest of your life. Your name will be mud in the community. You will be shunned. Cattle are not pets, you might love them, might have saved them from a cruel farmer but even you state you can't walk your own property. That is a disgrace and an accident waiting to happen. If it happens to you, fair enough, live with it. If it happens to anyone else it is on your head. Either sell them direct to slaughter or sell them cheap to someone who has been made abundantly clear of the hash you have made of them and has the facilities to deal with them. Understand that once you pass them on, if you do that you have no further control of what happens to them.
 

Classichay

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Arable Farmer
Location
The moon
Hope you have decent liability insurance if the animal gets near someone who shouldn’t be there, a mad cow makes a mad calf. I’d be inclined to sell them on to a suckler herd and be done with it. You can always buy another cow you can’t buy the person it’s just trampled to death.
 

Longlowdog

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
Try asking for insurance for known to be dangerous cattle. Insurers asked to pay for a claim running to hundreds of thousands or millions will do deep dive research and if they come up with the fact you posted here and admitted to knowing of cause for concern they wipe their hands and walk away.
 

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