Agricultural Planning

[GAM]

There is a parcel of 25 acres locally with both electricity and water, what would the chance of getting planning for a bungalow with Ag ties?

 

[lloyd]

There is a parcel of 25 acres locally with both electricity and water, what would the chance of getting planning for a bungalow with Ag ties?

What is highway access like?
Is it in flood zone 1?
What are the local planning authority guidelines
like regarding agricultural dwellings?
Will it have any covenants attached?
Is it in an AONB?
How close to noise generation is it ?

 

[teslacoils]

There is a parcel of 25 acres locally with both electricity and water, what would the chance of getting planning for a bungalow with Ag ties?

Thin end of f all.

 

[GAM]

What is highway access like? GOOD
Is it in flood zone 1? NO
What are the local planning authority guidelines
like regarding agricultural dwellings? NOT SURE
Will it have any covenants attached? NO
Is it in an AONB? NO
How close to noise generation is it ? IT ISNT

 

[Pond digger]

There is a parcel of 25 acres locally with both electricity and water, what would the chance of getting planning for a bungalow with Ag ties?

You need to be able to demonstrate that you can make a living off the land, and that it is necessary that you live there. Very difficult!

 

[lloyd]

That's a positive start.
It's a long drawn out process but
if your local council are pro agriculture
then your chances are eventually good
if you go about it in the right way.

Example
18 acre field near us
Previous owner was told get lost when he asked
local authority,then sold to present owner who
went into free range eggs ,started selling more
every year and was able to show good accounts
along with the need to be on site for animal welfare.
Started with a mobile home and now there is a smart
good size bungalow there.
Funny enough dont see so many hens in the field these days.

Edit You want to be in flood zone 1 by the way.

 

[Daddy Pig]

retired couple here here in their seventies with 10 acres claimed they needed to live on site to look after their two horses, despite living less than 1/4 mile away, they now have a massive 6 bedroom house complete with annex there.

 

[Pond digger]

retired couple here here in their seventies with 10 acres claimed they needed to live on site to look after their two horses, despite living less than 1/4 mile away, they now have a massive 6 bedroom house complete with annex there.

That’s contrary to all current planning policy, but hey ho.

 

[Bald Rick]

Accounts/business plan etc get vetted by Reading University on behalf of the planning authority- or at least they do the Sainted Isle’s

 

[Yale]

If you are in Wales there is something about providing permission for an active farmer to build a retirement house/bungalow.

If you have parents who fit the bill this may be a better route than simple ag tie.

 

[som farmer]

used to 'lend' pigs, sheep, and cattle, to a local chap who had started a tree nursery on 12 acres, the woolaway bungalow came pretty quickly, the bungalow a little longer, about 7 yrs, with very anti neighbours, but, at the end of the day, the law is, if you can demonstrate you meet the requirements, as laid down by statute, they cannot refuse permission, all the council can do, is delay, query figures, lie, and keep adding conditions. When we had a go, at altering p/p, the bi##h of a planning officer, would not reply to points for weeks at a time, would then write and ask for same again, she was bloody quick writing to us, saying time had run out, and we would have to re-apply, despite us having met the 'requirements' for having started ! Re-applied, she fought us on every point, then we managed to get someone 'higher up' involved, within a month, passed, no requirement for a C106, just ag tie, even then she tried to get it revoked !! Turns out she was very friendly with our 'posh' neighbours, but, of course, we could never prove it.
The moral is, keep niggling on at it, you should get there in the end !!!!!

 

[essexpete]

retired couple here here in their seventies with 10 acres claimed they needed to live on site to look after their two horses, despite living less than 1/4 mile away, they now have a massive 6 bedroom house complete with annex there.

Mmmm. We can speculate on that one.

 

[Still Farming]

That's a positive start.
It's a long drawn out process but
if your local council are pro agriculture
then your chances are eventually good
if you go about it in the right way.

Example
18 acre field near us
Previous owner was told get lost when he asked
local authority,then sold to present owner who
went into free range eggs ,started selling more
every year and was able to show good accounts
along with the need to be on site for animal welfare.
Started with a mobile home and now there is a smart
good size bungalow there.
Funny enough dont see so many hens in the field these days.

Edit You want to be in flood zone 1 by the way.

Bet then tries to get ag tie lifted ,sells house and retires into the Sun?

No wonder planners love farmers?

 

[Still Farming]

There is a parcel of 25 acres locally with both electricity and water, what would the chance of getting planning for a bungalow with Ag ties?

Location may help?
Or rough part of the World?

 

[Kidds]

It seems to be a 10 year process at best. All the ones I know of have taken that long from start to finish.
I thought the financial test had been abolished so no longer need to prove a viable business.
Get a good planning advisor to tell you the facts, even then you need to do your own homework to know the rules. Don’t assume the advisor knows everything or that they will explore every avenue on your behalf.

The rules say you should get planning for buildings to house animals (full planning required) and then you can apply for accommodation on animal welfare grounds based on the fact you need to be present to assist with calving (for example)

 

[S J H]

Accounts/business plan etc get vetted by Reading University on behalf of the planning authority- or at least they do the Sainted Isle’s

As @Kidds says, financials are pretty much gone, although they like to use it an excuse.

I would just say that helping people get Ag tag houses by lending them stock or advising them to start farming is doing the people that genuinely need one, no favours.

When we went for ours I was advised to go calf rearing to show a need. That was from the NFU and a £500 a day 'advisor'. I went with the truth and we got it, I think it was within 4 years of us purchasing the land.

 

[betweenthelines]

retired couple here here in their seventies with 10 acres claimed they needed to live on site to look after their two horses, despite living less than 1/4 mile away, they now have a massive 6 bedroom house complete with annex there.

Retired farmer possibly?

But, as pointed out, people trying to get the restriction lifted, fudges it for everyone.

 

[br jones]

If you are in Wales there is something about providing permission for an active farmer to build a retirement house/bungalow.

If you have parents who fit the bill this may be a better route than simple ag tie.

In Wales building something for a dependant relative is looked upon as a good thing

 

[Smith31]

Depends what mood the planning officer is in, there is so much inconsistency within the decision making process, it is down to luck more then anything.

You may get approval on 10 acres but someone else farming 100 acres may get refused

 

[Hesston4860s]

Hmmm it would be really advantageous for me to live on site, not just from a ”walk out the door” and I’m where in need to be aspect but also for security as well. There’s enough room at my yard for a house/bungalow (it was laid out that way when I started just in case) but I can’t see it’ll ever happen now the way things are I can’t even afford to finish the shed.