Ah, Grasshopper

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
Do you know, up to this year, I haven't seen a single grasshopper on our farm since the 70s. That may sound completely insane but it occurred to me as we were chatting with a neighbour around the camp fire about the stuff we did as kids and the things we saw. Dumpheads in our stream. Frog Spawn. All gone. Far fewer slow worms. Where did it go? Far less of everything but then it came to me that the humble little grasshoper, a chap who gave us so much fun as children, had just gone from our farm. Neighbour (organic) said he had plenty. Hmm.

So, what have we done on our farm, which is all grass in that time? The use of spray has been limited to knapsack efforts on tiny areas and not by me. I don't want it to happen but that's a work in progress. The only thing we have done to the land in the last maybe 20 years is to put on bagged fertiliser. That's it. A modest dose at that.

This stopped recently. I took on the farm in 2014 I think and 2015 was the last year it was applied, due to a currently existing agreement with a proper farmer who liked losing money. Last year none. This year none and BOOM. Grasshoppers. Everywhere. I had it in my head that farmers see them as a bad thing but I can't find that info. What I have seen is many more birds swooping and picking them up. A healthy feed supply at nesting time. I expect the same birds will pick off maggot inducing flies and eat worm larvae as they develop.

I find it odd that bagged fert could have such an effect. Or is it something else to do with the balance of the soil, or the way I let the grass get much longer than my predecessors before grazing?

Either way, it's nice to see the bugs back.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Incredibly, I was just thinking the same thing about frogs, after hearing them all trumpeting away outside tonight.
Must be doing something right if creatures want to call our acres home too?
Dad and his brother spent hours 'popping frogs' with me when I was a kid.
Then, it seems like they all went away when I went dairy farming..
..and suddenly they're back, like a flash (y)
Good old "doing nothing".
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
we use to have a field of grass keep one year when I was mowing it you could see from the cab it was moving with hoppers there must have been billions of them, they didn't seem bothered by the 1 cwt/acre of nitrogen I had put on it, don't think they liked the mower much though as next day they had hopped off, shame that it would have been some good protein for the cows
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
How many times have you been out looking for them and not found them?
I think it more likely they were there all the time.
I have got grasshoppers but they do need certain conditions, they are not everywhere throughout the farm but just in the places they like. Dry sandy banks with poor grass growth seems to be what they like, apparently inside my tunnel is ideal for them.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
How many times have you been out looking for them and not found them?
I think it more likely they were there all the time.
I have got grasshoppers but they do need certain conditions, they are not everywhere throughout the farm but just in the places they like. Dry sandy banks with poor grass growth seems to be what they like, apparently inside my tunnel is ideal for them.
I spend a lot of time in the grass and they have not been there. I'm telling you they have not been there. Problem is I've done 2 things. I've stopped the bagged bankrupt maker and I've also changed the way we graze. So it could be either.
 

Inky

Member
Location
Essex / G.London
Mostly it's down to habit loss due to intensification of grassland grazing (and over grazing). I just employed a new stockman who was astounded by the noise of the insects in our grasslands all extensive grazed (no fert). These insects need habitat (longer grass) for over wintering and in the spring / summer for breeding / perching. They are valuable food for small mammals and particularly some ground nesting birds that don't travel far to secure food.
 

martian

DD Moderator
BASE UK Member
Location
N Herts
It's the same here Pasty, hardly ever saw a grass-hopper until a couple of years ago, now we've got swarms of them. Also lots of ants are moving in to the pastures...I'm happy to think that this a good sign. Thanks too to @Inky for an explanation as to why we're seeing the hoppers, the mob-grazing regime leaves longer grass, coupled with no fertiliser, sprays or wormers gives them a good leg up.
 

martian

DD Moderator
BASE UK Member
Location
N Herts
why is it good to see them then ?
Good question. It might be because we're a bit soft. But say we've got 10 per sq metre and they weigh a gram each, so are eating 5g of grass/sq m every day...that's 50kg/ha every day...hang on, anyone know any good insecticides that'll kill grasshoppers?

In reality we want as much diversity on the land as we can reasonably get. Ideally we'd be grazing cattle, sheep, pigs and chickens. Until we get there, we can welcome the dear little grasshoppers who are performing a similar 'landscape function' to the cattle of turning grass into more hoppers (and feeding bigger beasts up the food chain) and juicy soil food in the form of hopper poo. It's a wonderful, complex, interweaving web out there in our pastures and fields and if we think we can maximise our output by eliminating everything that doesn't directly provide cow food (or whatever) then we will come unstuck. Oh, and the butterflies this year! What joy!
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Good question. It might be because we're a bit soft. But say we've got 10 per sq metre and they weigh a gram each, so are eating 5g of grass/sq m every day...that's 50kg/ha every day...hang on, anyone know any good insecticides that'll kill grasshoppers?

In reality we want as much diversity on the land as we can reasonably get. Ideally we'd be grazing cattle, sheep, pigs and chickens. Until we get there, we can welcome the dear little grasshoppers who are performing a similar 'landscape function' to the cattle of turning grass into more hoppers (and feeding bigger beasts up the food chain) and juicy soil food in the form of hopper poo. It's a wonderful, complex, interweaving web out there in our pastures and fields and if we think we can maximise our output by eliminating everything that doesn't directly provide cow food (or whatever) then we will come unstuck. Oh, and the butterflies this year! What joy!
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