AHA Rents, DFRA “Farming is Changing” and "No Deal" Brexit

dairyrow

Member
i wouldn't worry this is a forum not every topic. Will be good for everyone. I think you'll find they'll struggle to get rid of calves and might have to rear themselves. Be interesting going forward would that break their arla membership or milk contract later on. But it does worry me BBx aren't so sort after this year. Do in need to go to limousin, AA or a more native breed going forward.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Well ? How often have you heard on here that the SFP schemes prevent new entrants from getting started ? Not half as big a threat as 80 year olds still farming on their AHA tenancies purely to get compo to get out. A lot would be an ideal size for starter farms for new entrants.
Agricultural bed blocking.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Well ? How often have you heard on here that the SFP schemes prevent new entrants from getting started ? Not half as big a threat as 80 year olds still farming on their AHA tenancies purely to get compo to get out. A lot would be an ideal size for starter farms for new entrants.
Agricultural bed blocking.
The thread is about rent reviews, not bed blocking.
A farm tenant has the legal right to a rent review, and it can fall as well as rise.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Thread in the dairy section about this issue!



I asked on the thread how many dairy farmers would keep 90 cows for 18 months to only make £1800 net profit across the board for all of them and none replied other than a couple who said I was a trouble maker!....

Your reputation precedes you!! :LOL: Wise words I feel...

The reality will arrive as soon as the glut of rubbish dairy bull calves hits the market... or is that... "what market"?
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
arla Tesco are stopping the shooting of worthless calves at birth, and their stated aim is that these calves should be reared to finish...

Years ago, I asked why cows cannot be triggered in lactation WITHOUT actually having a calf. I was told it was a stupid idea as the calves were a valuable by-product!!

I gather there was some work done on this using a cocktail of hormones to kickstart the cow's milk into production, but I am assuming nothing came of it? It would be the answer to a problem that comes to the fore every now and then... ie worthless dairy calves.
 

Pond digger

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
East Yorkshire
Years ago, I asked why cows cannot be triggered in lactation WITHOUT actually having a calf. I was told it was a stupid idea as the calves were a valuable by-product!!

I gather there was some work done on this using a cocktail of hormones to kickstart the cow's milk into production, but I am assuming nothing came of it? It would be the answer to a problem that comes to the fore every now and then... ie worthless dairy calves.
Interesting; but hormone treatment.......Really? Isn’t the lack of, one of our selling points over cheap imports? It’s certainly a headache ain’t it!
 

Hasbeennoall

Member
Mixed Farmer
Thread in the dairy section about this issue!

Basically the outcome of that thread was that beef farmers would HAVE to pay the dairy farmers good money for these calves and if the figures didn't stack up for rearing them then the beef farmer would have to cut costs to nothing if that is what its takes to make the figures stack up!

Dairy farmers on the thread claimed what happens to these calves is the beef farmers problem even thou the calves were worthless and not worth rearing in the first place!

No profit in rearing the good dairy bred calves currently let alone the NZ mongrels that are worthless all the way thru the chain!

Most dairy farmers have their head in the sand when it comes to what they will be able to do with these worthless calves come 2020!

Someone posted that the figures for an extensive outdoor system for these NZ mongrel cattle until they were prime cattle at around 20 months, worked out that if everything went to plan and nothing went wrong he would make £1800 net profit for keeping 90 beef cattle for 20 months.............


I asked on the thread how many dairy farmers would keep 90 cows for 18 months to only make £1800 net profit across the board for all of them and none replied other than a couple who said I was a trouble maker!....


Talk about denial!
Spot on perhaps the dairy industry should return to British fresian only !?
 
Location
Devon
Spot on perhaps the dairy industry should return to British fresian only !?

No doubt about it the dairy industry will have to move away from these NZ mongrels if the calves have to be reared for say a min of 12+ months until they go to slaughter as beef animals!

Only other option will be for the dairy industry to develop overseas veal markets for the meat from these calves!

Certainly the dairy industry's problem and not the beef sectors problem about what to do with these worthless calves!

Problem is that there is no profit in rearing even the good calves from the dairy industry at the moment with the current diabolical low prime beef price so im not sure how long people will be keen to rear even the better end of these calves if the low beef price carry's on for 12 months or more let along rearing these NZ mongrels!
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
No doubt about it the dairy industry will have to move away from these NZ mongrels if the calves have to be reared for say a min of 12+ months until they go to slaughter as beef animals!

Only other option will be for the dairy industry to develop overseas veal markets for the meat from these calves!

Certainly the dairy industry's problem and not the beef sectors problem about what to do with these worthless calves!

Problem is that there is no profit in rearing even the good calves from the dairy industry at the moment with the current diabolical low prime beef price so im not sure how long people will be keen to rear even the better end of these calves if the low beef price carry's on for 12 months or more let along rearing these NZ mongrels!
What mongrels?
 
Thread in the dairy section about this issue!

Basically the outcome of that thread was that beef farmers would HAVE to pay the dairy farmers good money for these calves and if the figures didn't stack up for rearing them then the beef farmer would have to cut costs to nothing if that is what its takes to make the figures stack up!

Dairy farmers on the thread claimed what happens to these calves is the beef farmers problem even thou the calves were worthless and not worth rearing in the first place!

No profit in rearing the good dairy bred calves currently let alone the NZ mongrels that are worthless all the way thru the chain!

Most dairy farmers have their head in the sand when it comes to what they will be able to do with these worthless calves come 2020!

Someone posted that the figures for an extensive outdoor system for these NZ mongrel cattle until they were prime cattle at around 20 months, worked out that if everything went to plan and nothing went wrong he would make £1800 net profit for keeping 90 beef cattle for 20 months.............


I asked on the thread how many dairy farmers would keep 90 cows for 18 months to only make £1800 net profit across the board for all of them and none replied other than a couple who said I was a trouble maker!....


Talk about denial!
£1800 for 90 cattle??? do you have some figures for this? i see no reason why a decent beef x dairy calve shouldnt make money, feed barleys £110/t and you dont need as much grazing land/fert/shed space/silage/mucking out for 1 beef calf as opposed to a suckler cow and its calf
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
£1800 for 90 cattle??? do you have some figures for this? i see no reason why a decent beef x dairy calve shouldnt make money, feed barleys £110/t and you dont need as much grazing land/fert/shed space/silage/mucking out for 1 beef calf as opposed to a suckler cow and its calf
you want some ? come down west in the spring, you could fill a lorry and drag @ about £ 10 each, or if you want the ones that are usually shot, for £0, but remember they are small and xbred
 
Take out legal insurance for rent reviews before notice is served

Served a notice on a land lord when wheat was £60 a tonne and got an agreed rent reduction
For those that say rents only go up they are wrong

In the 1920s a farm near here was rented for a shilling an acre if the farmer took it for 20 years
After the purchasers went bust and the original owner had it back when the purchaser could not pay
Rents were higher in the 20 years prior to the 1920s
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
well, we have had a bit of excellent news this week, it would seem our landlords notice of rent review is invalid, totally there agents fault, I have suggested he asks them to pay up, and they were saying it had to double !!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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