Ahdb : Freedom of information requests.

[Pigless]

I have recieved the below from AHDB , and they have told me its public domain information so do what you like with it!
Its Sept 8th thats most telling , but I think it all tells a story and shows they do take notice of TFF.
I'll be interested in what you all think.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Can you do a screenshot(s) of the juicy bits?

 

[Pigless]

I'll try, I think the one below is following an email from grass and grain, when ahdb decided to work with their other stakeholders not grass and grain

 

[Pigless]

Another interesting one says although AHDB are guarantor's to red tractor their liability is limited to £1

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

Can you do a screenshot(s) of the juicy bits?

The whole lot seems juicy

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

Don't forget. They work for us.

As they are showing.........

 

[Rob Holmes]

What’s the Farmers Forum?

 

[Pigless]

What’s the Farmers Forum?

Something they seem to spend their day watching

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

I'm sure @Grass And Grain has seen it already?

Comments? It shows what they think of you and what your doing.

Also
@tullah
@warksfarmer
@SilliamWhale

 

[teslacoils]

Ah, now it gets more fun.

No disrespect, ahdb, but you'd better start putting some work into engaging with what we want, rather than cosying up to your mates, while trying to con others into you data-harvesting "consultation".

 

[Rob Holmes]

It turns out we do have some power collectively,
Next stop Environment Agency? Lol

 

[warksfarmer]

I'm sure @Grass And Grain has seen it already?

Comments? It shows what they think of you and what your doing.

Also
@tullah
@warksfarmer
@SilliamWhale

As I’ve said many times before the NFU, AIC, AHDB and RT are corrupt and they have been colluding behind the scenes for 20 years against U.K. farmers.

Their sole job has been to muddy clear waters to extract money from their members and levy payers. The Nfu members are 4/5 NOT farmers so they won’t ever help U.K. farmers. Every single member should resign with immediate effect.

 

[Pigless]

As I’ve said many times before the NFU, AIC, AHDB and RT are corrupt and they have been colluding behind the scenes for 20 years against U.K. farmers.

Their sole job has been to muddy clear waters to extract money from their members and levy payers. The Nfu members are 4/5 NOT farmers so they won’t ever help U.K. farmers. Every single member should resign with immediate effect.

Unfortunately I find myself agreeing with you now, I think we should stay focussed on the obvious unfairness of imports having better access to our markets then we do.
They can constantly up our standards through AIC/RT whilst keeping our price at Global commodity level by importing unassured grains.

 

[Pigless]

It turns out we do have some power collectively,
Next stop Environment Agency? Lol

Just think what could be achieved with some sort of Farmers union! If only one existed.

 

[Grass And Grain]

The one from 6th Sept is quite interesting, as is the 8th Sept. Screenshot of those...

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

I have recieved the below from AHDB , and they have told me its public domain information so do what you like with it!
Its Sept 8th thats most telling , but I think it all tells a story and shows they do take notice of TFF.
I'll be interested in what you all think.

Sort of what you expect from RT and the AIC, but it is REALLY BAD how the NFU have acted, when they supposedly represent their farmer members

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

"Don't need to have all the answers" and "they just need to seem to be listening"

So they hold us, the levy payers, in utter contempt.

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

The one from 6th Sept is quite interesting, as is the 8th Sept. Screensh

How can any farmers continue as NFU members after this?

 

[Grass And Grain]

IMHO I think the staff members at AHDB are just doing their jobs. I'm just not certain the AHDB strategy is the most beneficial to levy payers. AHDB seem to think RT,AIC and NFU are all important and we need to keep RT relevant, whilst imports are not in any way required to be farm level assured. And the AIC contract says the grain for farm to merchant trades must be farm assured. Surely AHDB should be challenging AIC (and NFU, as NFU jointly wrote the contract) to change that contract. It stinks that a common grain purchase contract should stipulate "must be FA", particularly as there are more non-assured growers than assured.

If AHDB have given a couple of million £££ to RT to help RT get out of a deficit situation, then AHDB aren't going t want to see RT fail because an alternative assurance method would reduce RT membership. I think this is why AHDB and NFU don't want to let us have a sensible assurance system. I think this is why we keep running into a brick wall. It's why our logical reasoning gets no answers or weak answers, yet no action or no support for us.

UK Flour Millers came out with that clap trap statement on their website of how imports are assured and checked, and we also love RT. They failed to mention they have a representative on the RT board.

AHDB have representatives on the RT boards.

I've just spoken to an ex buyer for a flour mill. He was making the purchases of Canadian wheat. 60,000t vessels, they were provided with 1 assurance sample/lab result for the whole cargo. Yes ONE per 60k tonnes. The cargo would be split for many different customers, the mill was purchasing say 700t of that shipment, they had to pay in full for their share up front before the ship set sail, docked in Liverpool. Apparently 60-65,000 tonnes is a common size of ship because that's what fits up the Panama Canal. The flour miller didn't have a scooby what happened on the Canadian farms, if it was tipped up outside, how it got to the docks etc. All the UK Flour mill knew was that it was x% protein y HFN, z bushel weight.

Yet UK Flour Millers say this....

Imported wheat assurance

The 2020 UK wheat crop was the smallest since 1982 and UK flour millers had to increase their use of imported wheat to compensate. This article dispels some of the misinformation around the standards and assurance of imported wheat and also highlights the role Red Tractor plays in the UK milling...

www.ukflourmillers.org

 

[teslacoils]

#ahdbballot

Vote to bring the gravy train to a halt.

Don't forget it takes 20 days to get you foi info. That's 20 days they will be chatting behind our backs. Be in no doubt that as a govt agency they have to hand over the info. So next info needs to be a list of any meetings involving members of these groups where they have chance to have little cosy chats.

Ahdb if you're reading this, which you are, don't be in any doubt that the knives are out. And apparently we're pretty well skilled as backstabbers.