AHDB Non Job's.

[gone up the hill]

Yet still the waste of levy payers money carry's on...............................

Not content with wasting the limited budget on telling us how to put up electric fences/ how to read a medicine bottle label/ give levy payers pictures of the difference between a fat bullock and a store bullock they have now decided to pay someone £42k a year in a total non job called a breeding projects manager.............................

I really thought they had turned a corner 12 months ago with not wasting our money but quiet clear its far from that as they are wasting more now of their limited budget than they ever have!..

 

[spin cycle]

so what does a 'breeding projects manager' do?

suppose it could be a sort of upscaled name for a 'pimp'

 

[gone up the hill]

so what does a 'breeding projects manager' do?

suppose it could be a sort of upscaled name for a 'pimp'

From what I can gather their job will be to sell EBV's for breeding stock to producers.

Trouble is a lot of the stock with the ebv's they push aren't worth breeding from anyway, the figures are good but worthless at on farm level.

 

[Paul E]

But AHDB job is to promote EBV, so they're polishing that turd for all they're worth.

 

[gone up the hill]

But AHDB job is to promote EBV, so they're polishing that turd for all they're worth.

Utter waste of time and money, you see some so called rams for example at breeding sales that have these so called great EBV figures, but they are normally so short/ dumpy/ big heads etc etc that no one even bids for them! then along comes another ram with great depth/shape/ width/ small head etc that hasn't any EBV figures and everyone is fighting over it because they all know it will have far better lambs than the ram with the EBV figures.

 

[neilo]

Utter waste of time and money, you see some so called rams for example at breeding sales that have these so called great EBV figures, but they are normally so short/ dumpy/ big heads etc etc that no one even bids for them! then along comes another ram with great depth/shape/ width/ small head etc that hasn't any EBV figures and everyone is fighting over it because they all know it will have far better lambs than the ram with the EBV figures.

FFS. What a complete an utter load of ballcocks. You really should be a plumber.

Why on earth should any form of recording mean a ram is short, dumpy or have a big head ffs. The person that made the breeding decisions made the ram that way (if that animal isn’t just a figment of a keyboard warrior’s imagination of course).
Other nay sayers frequently try to claim on here that all recorded rams are long, tall, narrow and arseless. Which is it?

The answer, of course, is neither. Performance recording itself doesn’t make a sheep better or worse, it merely provides some extra data to tell you what that animal might pass on to his offspring, rather than guessing from his looks on one day. Ebvs can tell you an animal is poor, just as well as if it’s lambs will grow faster, have more loin muscling, etc.
Breeders using those ebvs in their selection decisions (and that’s not all recorded breeders by any means) will move forward on those traits, whilst being less inclined to hide behind a feed bag.

 

[Kevtherev]

 

[gone up the hill]

FFS. What a complete an utter load of ballcocks. You really should be a plumber.

Why on earth should any form of recording mean a ram is short, dumpy or have a big head ffs. The person that made the breeding decisions made the ram that way (if that animal isn’t just a figment of a keyboard warrior’s imagination of course).
Other nay sayers frequently try to claim on here that all recorded rams are long, tall, narrow and arseless. Which is it?

The answer, of course, is neither. Performance recording itself doesn’t make a sheep better or worse, it merely provides some extra data to tell you what that animal might pass on to his offspring, rather than guessing from his looks on one day. Ebvs can tell you an animal is poor, just as well as if it’s lambs will grow faster, have more loin muscling, etc.
Breeders using those ebvs in their selection decisions (and that’s not all recorded breeders by any means) will move forward on those traits, whilst being less inclined to hide behind a feed bag.

EBV's as they stand are NOT fit for purpose for commercial farms.

Its as simple as that!

Oh and not all EBV rams are no good, some are fine but the vast majority are not.

You may not like that but that's the score.

 

[spin cycle]

FFS. What a complete an utter load of ballcocks. You really should be a plumber.

Why on earth should any form of recording mean a ram is short, dumpy or have a big head ffs. The person that made the breeding decisions made the ram that way (if that animal isn’t just a figment of a keyboard warrior’s imagination of course).
Other nay sayers frequently try to claim on here that all recorded rams are long, tall, narrow and arseless. Which is it?

The answer, of course, is neither. Performance recording itself doesn’t make a sheep better or worse, it merely provides some extra data to tell you what that animal might pass on to his offspring, rather than guessing from his looks on one day. Ebvs can tell you an animal is poor, just as well as if it’s lambs will grow faster, have more loin muscling, etc.
Breeders using those ebvs in their selection decisions (and that’s not all recorded breeders by any means) will move forward on those traits, whilst being less inclined to hide behind a feed bag.

i suppose the question is why the AHDB need to spend levy money on something that should sell itself

 

[neilo]

EBV's as they stand are NOT fit for purpose for commercial farms.

Its as simple as that!

Oh and not all EBV rams are no good, some are fine but the vast majority are not.

You may not like that but that's the score.

The ‘vast majority’ of ‘ebv rams’(whatever they might be) are no good? I suggest you may be talking out of your backside, for the sake of talking.

 

[gone up the hill]

The ‘vast majority’ of ‘ebv rams’(whatever they might be) are no good? I suggest you may be talking out of your backside, for the sake of talking.

In breeders circles they are great but for commercial farmers they are far from any good for the vast majority of rams.

Shame this is the case but I think EBV breeders have lost the focus about what commercial farmers want or rather more importantly need on the ground.

 

[Tim W]

The ‘vast majority’ of ‘ebv rams’(whatever they might be) are no good? I suggest you may be talking out of your backside, for the sake of talking.

You've got a fine way with words young man

 

[John Chance]

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the thread is anything to do with an objective analysis of EBVs and their value to commercial farmers.

 

[gone up the hill]

i suppose the question is why the AHDB need to spend levy money on something that should sell itself

If these EBV figures were worth the paper they are written on there would be no need to sell the scheme but because the figures in the real world are worthless to commercial farmers on the ground they are having to push the EBV figures.

 

[Gulli]

In breeders circles they are great but for commercial farmers they are far from any good for the vast majority of rams.

Shame this is the case but I think EBV breeders have lost the focus about what commercial farmers want or rather more importantly need on the ground.

Care to enlighten us?

I'm not sure your grasp of figures is that good...

 

[neilo]

In breeders circles they are great but for commercial farmers they are far from any good for the vast majority of rams.

Shame this is the case but I think EBV breeders have lost the focus about what commercial farmers want or rather more importantly need on the ground.

Yet I manage finish all my commercial lambs without concentrates, all sired by ‘ebv’ rams?
Bred on a low input system from Highlander ewes, the last lot I sent were 40% E grade, 40% U grade and 10% R. Not the first draw, that left about 30 of our April born lambs on farm.
Bloody ebv breeders, they’ve completely lost focus.....

 

[gone up the hill]

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the thread is anything to do with an objective analysis of EBVs and their value to commercial farmers.

I agree, I posted the thread because imo the AHDB shouldn't be wasting our money on something like this.

If EBV figures are worth their weight in gold like farmers like Neilo say they are then the EBV scheme should sell itself and the AHDB wouldn't need to be paying someone 40k of levy payers money.

I have nothing against EBV figures if people want to use them but the AHDB are only employing someone to push them because they are fiddling whilst Rome burns!

 

[gone up the hill]

Care to enlighten us?

I'm not sure your grasp of figures is that good...

My grasp of figures are second to none, the EBV rams that are being bred are in the main a massive step backwards.

 

[gone up the hill]

Yet I manage finish all my commercial lambs without concentrates, all sired by ‘ebv’ rams?
Bred on a low input system from Highlander ewes, the last lot I sent were 40% E grade, 40% U grade and 10% R. Not the first draw, that left about 30 of our April born lambs on farm.
Bloody ebv breeders, they’ve completely lost focus.....

Grading has as much more to do with the killing plant you send them to than EBV figures im afraid.

An E lamb at one plant will be a U lamb at another! ( and vice versa )

Just like killing out % varies between different plants for the same animal.

 

[neilo]

I agree, I posted the thread because imo the AHDB shouldn't be wasting our money on something like this.

If EBV figures are worth their weight in gold like farmers like Neilo say they are then the EBV scheme should sell itself and the AHDB wouldn't need to be paying someone 40k of levy payers money.

I have nothing against EBV figures if people want to use them but the AHDB are only employing someone to push them because they are fiddling whilst Rome burns!

No, you went from your usual AHDB rant to stating that the ‘vast majority’ of ‘ebv rams’ are no good, which is plainly nonsense.