AHDB TO LAUNCH OWN SELF CERTIFICATION SCHEME

[Bernardbean]

If it's going to be paid for out of the levy we all pay sounds a good idea, not keen on any extra cost though

 

[Old apprentice]

Surely the food standards agency would know what are the tests if there was ever a problem with imported they are supposed to be food standards agency ,has any one done a freedom of information from them?

 

[Jackov Altraids]

So, I agree but like above we dont/shouldnt need another scheme, a tick box declaration is all I want and true market price for my unassured produce.
Guessing because they are all in bed together, RT will present and RT Light version, after all they'll be wanting our money somehow.
The whole thing stinks, ADHB just sat on the fence colluding with the others "seen to be" doing something but in reality spinning out yet some more. They are like MP's, simply full of shite and are certainly not to be trusted.
However I await to actually see some action from them, then maybe I will change my tune.
But if they dont get off the fence ASAP and actually sort something then lets vote them out. We have endured too much fluffing around, non communication from the shower that are RT/ADHB/AIC and that disgrace of an organisation the Non Farmers Union
Bring it on

How many of you have ever sold 'unassured' produce?

Hasn't every load you have ever sold been subject to the buyers approval and haven't you been prepared for it's return if they have an issue.
That is the ultimate assurance and is more valuable than a piece of paper and a sticker from RT.

 

[7610 super q]

Wasn't sure which way to vote TBH. Anything but RT, but will another certifier want to compete in a oneupmanship game out doing each other with more rules..........
I can't see a need for certification at all. We compete on a world market with countries that presumably have no certification at all. We need to cut out all unnecessary work and costs. We tried the " Premium " route, and got well and truly shagged.
We must be more like Australia. Farm badly, farm cheaply, produce sh!te, and export it. Just Kidding....

 

[tullah]

You do not need another scheme to self certify your products, you can already do that now for free.
This is the AHDB launching their own scheme to rival RT which no doubt will end up pretty similar in a very short space of time.

Nothing like that must be allowed. Equal to imports which self certify cereals that are already superior quality to imports.
As Old Boar said ...ours is Uk Quality Grain and not some sort of tick box any old NFU / RT pretend stuff.

 

[tullah]

Wasn't sure which way to vote TBH. Anything but RT, but will another certifier want to compete in a oneupmanship game out doing each other with more rules..........
I can't see a need for certification at all. We compete on a world market with countries that presumably have no certification at all. We need to cut out all unnecessary work and costs. We tried the " Premium " route, and got well and truly shagged.
We must be more like Australia. Farm badly, farm cheaply, produce sh!te, and export it. Just Kidding....

I pondered which way to vote too as totally agree with your post.

 

[manhill]

Surely the food standards agency would know what are the tests if there was ever a problem with imported they are supposed to be food standards agency ,has any one done a freedom of information from them?

That'd be interesting.

 

[Nearly]

@Drillman
Hope.

 

[warksfarmer]

Why did the Nfu impose this on British farmers? The answer to this is conflicting interests. The Nfu own RT so obviously don't expect the owners to give up their control of the company that's preventing farmers from selling their grain.

The NFU, if they have any morals, should immediately endorse the above post by grass and grain so any farmers can sell their non RT grain NOW and not tomorrow, instead of prolonging the existence of this business racket.

The NFU imposed this on us all because they don’t act for our benefit. The act again U.K. agriculture. Their loyalty lies with their none farming members who are 4/5 of the total membership. Farmers only make up 1/5 so why would they help us?

Behind the scenes the Nfu, AIC, AHDB and RT are colluding against our industry for financial gain. Basically it’s fraudulent but they’ve been caught. Heads are going to roll.

 

[Grass And Grain]

@Worsall where do I find the below information please?

What we want seems to fit exactly into the AHDB remit.

Article 3(2)(d) SCHEDULE 1
3. Promoting the production and marketing of standard products.
5. Developing, promoting, marketing or operating—
(a)standards relating to the quality of products, or
(b)systems for the classification of products.
6. Developing, reviewing or operating schemes for the certification of products or of operations connected with production or supply of products.
7. Undertaking the certification of products, the registration of certification trade marks, and the functions of proprietors of such marks

 

[gone up the hill]

NO NO NO NO NO

The AHDB should NEVER have anything to do with a farm assurance scheme as proposed in this thread!

Reasons why for example :

The AHDB are the main drivers behind the UK Gov banning farmers from spreading muck/slurry in the autumn months under the new rules due to come in next year!

The AHDB are actively working with the RT and the NFU to undermine and drive UK farmers out of business.

The AHDB is filled with yes men and woman who have retired from NFU roles..

And so the list goes on!

Be wary of the devil that is the AHDB.......................

 

[Flat 10]

I am sadly disillusioned with adhb but all this needs guth is a new passport designed by the adhb and getting it accepted by AIC, nothing more. (who get forgotten about amongst the treachery of our representatives but are some real villains)

 

[gone up the hill]

I am sadly disillusioned with adhb but all this needs guth is a new passport designed by the adhb and getting it accepted by AIC, nothing more. (who get forgotten about amongst the treachery of our representatives but are some real villains)

It may start with a passport but if the AHDB is involved in doing it then before long it will come with an inspection and a long list of requirements to get that sticker ( just like RT )

A scheme where you self cert and never get inspected is worthless and will never happen regardless of who runs it.

Either we have farm assurance and inspections etc or we have nothing like the old days pre RT ( and i favour the latter )

 

[wanton dwarf]

Either we have farm assurance and inspections etc or we have nothing like the old days pre RT ( and i favour the latter )

Did you have nothing ? Or did you have to sign a document ? Like a despatch/delivery note ?

 

[Worsall]

@Worsall where do I find the below information please?

What we want seems to fit exactly into the AHDB remit.

Article 3(2)(d) SCHEDULE 1
3. Promoting the production and marketing of standard products.
5. Developing, promoting, marketing or operating—
(a)standards relating to the quality of products, or
(b)systems for the classification of products.
6. Developing, reviewing or operating schemes for the certification of products or of operations connected with production or supply of products.
7. Undertaking the certification of products, the registration of certification trade marks, and the functions of proprietors of such marks

The Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board Order 2008

This Order dissolves—the British Potato Council;the Home-Grown Cereals Authority;the Horticultural Development Council;the Meat and Livestock Commission;the Milk Development Council.

www.legislation.gov.uk

The legislation allows for a separate organisation to run this, and we are talking about a simple one tick to say we comply with UK Legislation. No cost.
Article4 of Scedule2 allows the procedure for @AHDB Cereals and Oilseeds to determine its own procedure, and more particularly, appoint the committee who are NOT members of the board. As it can determine the quorum and procedure, the committee could be three non executive farmers for example.

This simple system is far superior to equal to imports.

I have massive reservations about @AHDB Cereals and Oilseeds myself at the moment, but we must remember that they are a respected organisation with influence, are perfectly placed to set this up, and have our funding to do it.

This to me is @AHDB Cereals and Oilseeds last chance to act swiftly, without all the normal excuses
"its a complicated picture"
"business isn't that simple"
"we need to carry out a review"
They have the mechanism to do this, before they loose any standing or respect they currently have.

 

[neilo]

@Worsall , why do you want to keep the requirement for NROSO? That too is a needless gravy train which shouldn’t be compulsory.

All the pertinent bits are a legal requirement and/or common sense, which we will be self certifying as having been compliant. If anyone feels they want to do ongoing training/going to a meeting to have a snooze, then they can still do it if they wish.

 

[neilo]

Amen to that. Well said.

I think this is going to happen anyway as Panorama are on the case with the fraudulent ongoing’s of the Nfu, AIC, RT and AHDB.

Oh goody, just what the industry needs. With all surveys showing consumer trust in uk ag on a high, a program alleging that fraud is widespread in the industry and our representatives to undermine that confidence.

I do hope no farmer has been stupid enough to make such allegations.

 

[Old apprentice]

So now we have the proof that AHDB have the legal ability to produce a self certification passport for crops ,it is now time for them to act they have more authority than a private company aic do not have a legal remit to stop a self certification passport there for it is time for them to act ,there is no need to ask or talk to any of the others nfu aic rt .they have the ability to do this and just tell them this is what we are going to do and they have no remit to stop it.

 

[Worsall]

@Worsall , why do you want to keep the requirement for NROSO? That too is a needless gravy train which shouldn’t be compulsory.

All the pertinent bits are a legal requirement and/or common sense, which we will be self certifying as having been compliant. If anyone feels they want to do ongoing training/going to a meeting to have a snooze, then they can still do it if they wish.

Many aspects of NROSO are a waste of time or pain in the arse, and more freeloading off the back of our industry BUT Lets not give RT any excuses to say without them we have lower standards.
Lets try and get control as a priority and aid the demise of RT.

AHDB are the vehicle for this, and as the merchants/users collect and pay some levy too, they should be equally pleased to see the end of RT. AIC will be putting massive pressure on all industry to try and stop this, so we should avoid any dilution of all the things we currently do and abide to with UK law.
#self declaration

 

[warksfarmer]

Oh goody, just what the industry needs. With all surveys showing consumer trust in uk ag on a high, a program alleging that fraud is widespread in the industry and our representatives to undermine that confidence.

I do hope no farmer has been stupid enough to make such allegations.

Sorry I disagree. It’s easily proven this corruption is NOT farmer related. This corruption is within the gravy train quango’s.