Air rifle

Longlowdog

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
A spring air rifle requires discipline to be accurate, pistons whanging back and forth need a repeatable hold every time. A P.C.P will outshoot most of us most of the time.
The sub-100quid packages are dismal, they will be noisy and inaccurate. £250 would buy a nice springer and 500 a very accurate P.C.P package that will scarcely depreciate over time, or be a really nice thing to teach kids to shoot safely with and let them actually hit what they aim at with virtually no noise or recoil.
I shoot a HW100 in .22 for barn pigeons and magpies off the front lawn. A hand pump is cheap and once bought you never need to 'buy air' again.
Buy quality pellets. Ill made cheap pellets are a source of irritation and lack of faith in what will be an accurate weapon if you avoid the low end dross.
 

Ukjay

Member
Location
Wales!
Does a hand pump get the pressure up to 3000psi or more in a reasonable number of strokes?


 

Longlowdog

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
It takes a fair number of strokes but it is not onerous. It takes me 3 or 4 minutes to charge my carbine length cylinder start to finish and that with an older 3 stage pump.
 

Ukjay

Member
Location
Wales!
It takes a fair number of strokes but it is not onerous. It takes me 3 or 4 minutes to charge my carbine length cylinder start to finish and that with an older 3 stage pump.


Yep, and that is why I went CO2 bottle. for £150 for the 3 ltr to the 4 ltr at £177 it aint worth the hassle.


And that gives a lot of shots for such a small bottle.
 

Hesstondriver

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Huntingdon
A 177 shoots flat meaning the lighter pellet will hit a zero at at any distance out to 25yrds a .22 pellet is heavier has a curve and drops quicker so it will hit zero at maybe 10yrds and 30yrds but in between you aim high of your target, both are sub 12 lbs and capable of killing pigeons but a flat headed 22 pellet is less likely to cause roof damage, but I prefer to shoot them on the i beams just to be sure
The argument between 177 and 22 will go on as long as there are air rifles, either will do what you want perfectly well.
A good second hand spring powered gun either break barrel or lever will do. Stick to known brands and you will be fine, Air Arms, Weirauch or BSA. Usually lots of second hand available and very good value.

but a 177 leaves a smaller hole in the roof
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Yep, and that is why I went CO2 bottle. for £150 for the 3 ltr to the 4 ltr at £177 it aint worth the hassle.


And that gives a lot of shots for such a small bottle.

I considered a pump, but plumped for a small divers bottle for not a silly amount more. Iirc a 5L bottle (filled) was about £100, which should last me a year or two with my occasional use. A pump would certainly have been cheaper, but still...

Be aware though, bottles have to be pressure tested and certified every 5 years, and nobody will refill them without that certificate, so an ongoing cost there. Certifying/testing is about £35 I understand, if they don’t find a problem and needs to sell you a replacement bottle of course.
 

Andrew

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
Huntingdon, UK
BSA Scorpion SE .22 here, with a Hills footpump. Perfectly fine in sheds.

I'm not exactly fit but it's not onerous, I top it up every 50 or so shots though.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
For the OP's actual range/need, a .22 CO2 rifle would be perfectly able to do the job. Light and inexpensive and not too much power.

I have a Falcon PCP which is great to 40m and probably more if I still had eyes... Daughter has borrowed if for Parakeet culling and shot them cleanly at 50m :) I would NOT use it in a parlour though....

For around the buildings, I now use one of these...


OK on squirrels once tweaked to nearer the 12ft lbs and the long barrel fitted.

Springer ok, but get a gas ram version for a nicer shooting rifle. Less bounce and boing... ;) No air bottle needed...
 
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HolzKopf

Member
Location
Kent&Snuffit
I agree - get a springer like a Weihrauch HW80 - perhaps decent second hand. We used to have terrible pigeon trouble with the bu**ers roosting in an old parlour on the wooden beams with clay pegs above. Used to go out an hour or so after dark with my boy holding a red filtered lamp over my shoulder. Head shot with a flat pellet .22, they drop like a stone. Rarely missed so roof damage not really and issue. Would shoot 20+ a night until the problem sorted itself out. There was sh*t everywhere around the place from those critters. We converted that building so no longer have the issue, they just got used to coming in via a 'pop hole' vent at night. Shooting them was efficient and quick. Never fancied eating them though - they always looked feral, not like a plump woodie on an oak branch (y) or a few wiley ones coming in over a hide at dusk when your sitting out with a semi auto. Breasts anyone? (.)(.) - pan fried? (see last week's Shooting Times :))

HK
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I considered a pump, but plumped for a small divers bottle for not a silly amount more. Iirc a 5L bottle (filled) was about £100, which should last me a year or two with my occasional use. A pump would certainly have been cheaper, but still...

Be aware though, bottles have to be pressure tested and certified every 5 years, and nobody will refill them without that certificate, so an ongoing cost there. Certifying/testing is about £35 I understand, if they don’t find a problem and needs to sell you a replacement bottle of course.

Cost about that for a Test and fill on my 5l bottle a few months ago according to Missus who collected it...
 

Wurzeetoo

Member
For the OP's actual range/need, a .22 CO2 rifle would be perfectly able to do the job. Light and inexpensive and not too much power.

I have a Falcon PCP which is great to 40m and probably more if I still had eyes... Daughter has borrowed if for Parakeet culling and shot them cleanly at 50m :) I would NOT use it in a parlour though....

For around the buildings, I now use one of these...


OK on squirrels once tweaked to nearer the 12ft lbs and the long barrel fitted.

I’ve wanted a cp2 for the odd vermin a while now the bsa ultra is just heavy and awkward in tight areas. How are you getting on with it? I was put off by people moaning about the magazine. But it looks spot on and cheaper than the ratcatcher xl
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
I’ve wanted a cp2 for the odd vermin a while now the bsa ultra is just heavy and awkward in tight areas. How are you getting on with it? I was put off by people moaning about the magazine. But it looks spot on and cheaper than the ratcatcher xl

Looked at the Crosman at the same time when I went down to Dudley to buy the CP2, and the CP2 knocks it into a cocked hat. Build seems so OK and had it apart to improve the trigger, all nice and simple... I hate carting the Falcon around now, too damned heavy like your Beeza.

CP2 Magazine is fiddly to load initially, but fine once you suss it out. Very rare to get misloads. Tend to use the single shot tray more though.

I used to use the rimfire with ultra low velocity rounds, but found it a PITA re-zeroing the scope when switching ammo. :)
 

Wurzeetoo

Member
Looked at the Crosman at the same time when I went down to Dudley to buy the CP2, and the CP2 knocks it into a cocked hat. Build seems so OK and had it apart to improve the trigger, all nice and simple... I hate carting the Falcon around now, too damned heavy like your Beeza.

CP2 Magazine is fiddly to load initially, but fine once you suss it out. Very rare to get misloads. Tend to use the single shot tray more though.

I used to use the rimfire with ultra low velocity rounds, but found it a PITA re-zeroing the scope when switching ammo. :)

That’s settled then I’m going to have to buy it! Seems stupid not to now you’ve said that
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
That’s settled then I’m going to have to buy it! Seems stupid not to now you’ve said that

Shop around a bit, big variations in price... That's why I popped to by Merry Hell in Dudley ;-)
Order the aftermarket hammer spring ASAP.

It likes the Crosman dome heads, and if you can find some the lightweight alloy pellets, they are nice :)


I am pondering a little nv setup for ratting...
 
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Wurzeetoo

Member
Shop around a bit, big variations in price... Order the aftermarket hammer spring ASAP.
It likes the Crosman dome heads, and if you can find some the lightweight alloy pellets, they are nice :)


I am pondering a little nv setup for ratting...

Ideal thanks for that bud, nows the time to be looking for a bargain with nitesite going squit if you don’t mind black and white the viper I’ve got is pretty good but being an add on it takes some getting used to
 

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