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frederick

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south west
reduction of waste, would go a long way, to help out. Have been told, N is between £7-800 now, so we will probably all end up semi organic ! Nothing to worry about, at that price, much less will be used, which means less production, less production, will mean higher prices.
Now I may be niave but I think because the cost increase is so large we will get to pass this one on.
Without N production levels will drop significantly. Global production in dairy is already behind growth.

So we will end up with a milk price that allows us to buy fert at £700 a ton. There won't be any more margin for the farmer unless the high price slightly altea their use.

I just don't see how I can significantly cut my N use without a major cut in cow numbers.
 
Full on morning today , a couple of Ai's, couple of calves to market, couple of tons of coal arrived 4 days early,

Roof going up 😁
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A Heifer half calved a huge Hereford calf.
(No pic as the calf was dead by the time I got to him) 🤬

Nice heifer calf hiding 😁
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Bull calfs attempt at hiding 🤬🤬🤬
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Lagoon has started 😁
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Emotions like a yo-yo today
 
Full on morning today , a couple of Ai's, couple of calves to market, couple of tons of coal arrived 4 days early,

Roof going up 😁
View attachment 998451

A Heifer half calved a huge Hereford calf.
(No pic as the calf was dead by the time I got to him) 🤬

Nice heifer calf hiding 😁View attachment 998452

Bull calfs attempt at hiding 🤬🤬🤬 View attachment 998453



Lagoon has started 😁
View attachment 998454

Emotions like a yo-yo today
Whats the couple of tons of coal for? You smelting steel?
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Now I may be niave but I think because the cost increase is so large we will get to pass this one on.
Without N production levels will drop significantly. Global production in dairy is already behind growth.

So we will end up with a milk price that allows us to buy fert at £700 a ton. There won't be any more margin for the farmer unless the high price slightly altea their use.

I just don't see how I can significantly cut my N use without a major cut in cow numbers.
fert is a global price, all around the globe farmers are looking hard at it's use, so this will be a global reduction, of food production. They cannot import it cheaper, it simply wont be there, or at a cheaper price.
We all know the 'just in time' policy, if you take wheat as a base, somewhere around the world, wheat is being combined every day, the supply food chain, buy's from wherever, to ensure they don't run out, the world wheat reserves, are 2/3 days only. There is no surplus of wheat, as soon as any product is unavailable/short, the price rises.
The downside of losing the 'just in time' policy, all trades will have to hold more stock items, than they currently do, whether that is s/mkt food stuffs, or repair shops, or anything you need quickly. It is who is going to pay for that increase, in stock.
Times are currently changing rapidly, for us, as farmers, one thing is very certain, everyone needs us, to live, people can do without many things, food they cannot. Interesting times.
 

Martyn

Member
Location
South west
Full on morning today , a couple of Ai's, couple of calves to market, couple of tons of coal arrived 4 days early,

Roof going up 😁
View attachment 998451

A Heifer half calved a huge Hereford calf.
(No pic as the calf was dead by the time I got to him) 🤬

Nice heifer calf hiding 😁View attachment 998452

Bull calfs attempt at hiding 🤬🤬🤬 View attachment 998453



Lagoon has started 😁
View attachment 998454

Emotions like a yo-yo today
Serious investment, nice to see it in an area of the country that dosnt particularly lend it self to dairy.
 
Serious investment, nice to see it in an area of the country that dosnt particularly lend it self to dairy.

Didn't have much choice with the lagoon 🙄
The other one has been paid for over the last 3 years, and the milk price has certainly helped there. There's still a hell of a lot of investment that needs doing, @tepapa will be busy till he retires, whole place needs liming etc etc. When the milk price is poor you tend not to invest, and when it gets good, you play catch-up !
Will give you the grand tour when you come up camping next year 👍
 

frederick

Member
Location
south west
fert is a global price, all around the globe farmers are looking hard at it's use, so this will be a global reduction, of food production. They cannot import it cheaper, it simply wont be there, or at a cheaper price.
We all know the 'just in time' policy, if you take wheat as a base, somewhere around the world, wheat is being combined every day, the supply food chain, buy's from wherever, to ensure they don't run out, the world wheat reserves, are 2/3 days only. There is no surplus of wheat, as soon as any product is unavailable/short, the price rises.
The downside of losing the 'just in time' policy, all trades will have to hold more stock items, than they currently do, whether that is s/mkt food stuffs, or repair shops, or anything you need quickly. It is who is going to pay for that increase, in stock.
Times are currently changing rapidly, for us, as farmers, one thing is very certain, everyone needs us, to live, people can do without many things, food they cannot. Interesting times.
A dairy farmer can probably afford to pay more for ferteliser than anybody else.
Grass silage at £30 ton at 25%dm is £120dm.
I can spend a lot more in producing my grass silage before any other feeds become attractive.
Even if grass silage was worth £40-45 a ton it will still be economic as it's replacement's will all be over £200ton DM.
You just have to get your head round the new economics of dairy.
 

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Pembs
A dairy farmer can probably afford to pay more for ferteliser than anybody else.
Grass silage at £30 ton at 25%dm is £120dm.
I can spend a lot more in producing my grass silage before any other feeds become attractive.
Even if grass silage was worth £40-45 a ton it will still be economic as it's replacement's will all be over £200ton DM.
You just have to get your head round the new economics of dairy.
That’s quite correct, but for me an extra £40k off the bottom line is going to take a bit of swallowing. Usually have about 100t +.
 

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