All Wales NVZ

[Cowabunga]

It is not anticipated the World population will stablize until we are at least 10Bn, that is another 2,150,000,000, which was the total population of the World in the 1950's. What is everyone going to eat, Gloop ? Over 50% of the World population lives in Asia, rice production is also under the spotlight, and does not have the proteins of sufficent volume to stimulate brain development.

Fear not, the environmental discussion is one thing, feeding the world is another.

Most of the extra people will be in Africa. They will have to grow their own food as they cannot possibly afford to pay for ours.

 

[thesilentone]

Most of the extra people will be in Africa. They will have to grow their own food as they cannot possibly afford to pay for ours.

2nd largest land area on the planet, so make sense, currently being bought up by China.

 

[fgc325j]

Milk price wouldn't rise if the whole of the Welsh dairy industry cut numbers back, so those dairy farmers would just be selling less milk at the same price as now.

Well - if you go to the Livestock and Forage forum, then go to the Beef/Lamb price tracker, you'll soon see that lamb prices
are reaching never seen heights. Now- is this due to the processors/supermarkets suddenly obtaining a guilt complex about
the low average prices over the last decades, and they've decided to dig deeper into their pockets in order to show "fairness".
OR - is it due to a shortage - somewhere.

 

[neilo]

Well - if you go to the Livestock and Forage forum, then go to the Beef/Lamb price tracker, you'll soon see that lamb prices
are reaching never seen heights. Now- is this due to the processors/supermarkets suddenly obtaining a guilt complex about
the low average prices over the last decades, and they've decided to dig deeper into their pockets in order to show "fairness".
OR - is it due to a shortage - somewhere.

What’s that got to do with milk prices?

If Welsh dairy farmers reduced production by 10%, while everyone else carried on, it wouldn’t make a jot of difference to anyone’s bank account, except for those selling less litres.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

This is just a load of old tosh, written by those who choose to survey those of the same persuasion. The only ostriches around this rubbish are those who believe it ! To achieve this objective, they need to slaughter 14500 cattle per day, 365 days a year for the next 9 years and have zero births.

An idiotic scenario.

Oh, and they are already about a million slaughters behind !!

When food processors tell the slaughterhouses that they don't need any more ground beef (that is the sector at risk) then those cattle become unsaleable. Doesn't matter how many there are.

 

[vantage]

A legal challenge is going ahead, NFU Cymru have instructed JCP solicitors to act.

 

[thesilentone]

When food processors tell the slaughterhouses that they don't need any more ground beef (that is the sector at risk) then those cattle become unsaleable. Doesn't matter how many there are.

Doesn't change the fact the article is a load of tosh..........

 

[Cowabunga]

Doesn't change the fact the article is a load of tosh..........

The RethinkX report was published at least three years ago, long before Europe announced its aim of zero carbon from agriculture by 2035 and the supermarket announcement yesterday that it would source all its food from UK farms with zero emissions by 2030. If indeed much of 'animal' products even come from 'farms' or animals as we know them by 2035.

Read this and appreciate how prophetic and appropriate it is to second quarter 21stC agriculture...


Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'
Will soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'

By the prophet, poet, composer and singer, Bob Dylan.

 

[fgc325j]

What’s that got to do with milk prices?

If Welsh dairy farmers reduced production by 10%, while everyone else carried on, it wouldn’t make a jot of difference to anyone’s bank account, except for those selling less litres.

What is the penalty if you don't have 5 months storage??

 

[vantage]

What is the penalty if you don't have 5 months storage??

Death.

 

[Bald Rick]

The RethinkX report was published at least three years ago, long before Europe announced its aim of zero carbon from agriculture by 2035 and the supermarket announcement yesterday that it would source all its food from UK farms with zero emissions by 2030. If indeed much of 'animal' products even come from 'farms' or animals as we know them by 2035.

Read this and appreciate how prophetic and appropriate it is to second quarter 21stC agriculture...


Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'
Will soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'

By the prophet, poet, composer and singer, Bob Dylan.

Always thought Dylan would be ideal to top yourself to. Whining load of shyte

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Doesn't change the fact the article is a load of tosh..........

Anything specific, or just general tosh? I can see the warning signs all over the place now.
'A cloud no bigger than a man's hand...'.

 

[BrianV]

We farm within the rules, we have 5 months slurry storage, have never had a pollution incident, don't spread slurry in winter. And it's going to have a huge effect on our business because of the 170 kg nitrate limit. We will have to either acquire 20 hectares of land from somewhere or sell 40 cows.

What worries me is that with this ill thought through policy of not being able to spread slurry for 5 months then the moment those 5 months are up everyone will be out spreading, one very heavy rain shower soon after & catastrophic pollution is bound to be caused.
Far better if spreading was spaced out over the 5 months only when weather conditions allow, who are the bloody idiots who come up with these stupid rules?

 

[vantage]

What worries me is that with this ill thought through policy of not being able to spread slurry for 5 months then the moment those 5 months are up everyone will be out spreading, one very heavy rain shower soon after & catastrophic pollution is bound to be caused.
Far better if spreading was spaced out over the 5 months only when weather conditions allow, who are the bloody idiots who come up with these stupid rules?

The “Taffia”.

 

[neilo]

What worries me is that with this ill thought through policy of not being able to spread slurry for 5 months then the moment those 5 months are up everyone will be out spreading, one very heavy rain shower soon after & catastrophic pollution is bound to be caused.
Far better if spreading was spaced out over the 5 months only when weather conditions allow, who are the bloody idiots who come up with these stupid rules?

To be fair, a significant minority of farmers have shown they can’t be trusted to decide ‘when weather conditions allow’, which is what’s brought regulation on all of us.

Having adequate storage could even mean that more farmers start to view slurry as the valuable nutrient source that it is, rather than something that needs to be disposed of? IF slurry stores are full when ‘open season’ starts again, they might even be bright enough to only spread a bit to ease the pressure, and keep the rest in those larger stores until such time as the nutrients would be best used, drastically reducing fertiliser requirements?

The lunacy of massively expanded dairy farms with only a fortnight or so of slurry storage, in a part of the UK that gets a lot of rainfall, is what’s brought this extra bureaucracy down on all of us.

 

[BrianV]

With our ever changing weather patterns who’s to say the weather will be better at the end of the 5 months, it is a total recipe for disaster to let some prat in an office decide when it is safe to spread on any particular field, this is simply another example of badly named ”experts” controlling something they know nothing about. Far better to make the punishment if we get it wrong severe enough to make sure we don’t!

 

[Tarw Coch]

What worries me is that with this ill thought through policy of not being able to spread slurry for 5 months then the moment those 5 months are up everyone will be out spreading, one very heavy rain shower soon after & catastrophic pollution is bound to be caused.
Far better if spreading was spaced out over the 5 months only when weather conditions allow, who are the bloody idiots who come up with these stupid rules?

If it’s anything like the English NVZ, the 5 months storage requirement does not mean a 5 month closed period on spreading, England has 3.5 months closed period the rest is a buffer against unsustainable spreading conditions outside the closed period so if it’s wet at the end of the closed period you don’t have to rush out and spread. Or in theory if it’s wet before the closed period starts you don’t have to be completely empty,,,,,,,,,,,,,but that is a bit more of a gamble on what the weather will be like a the other end

 

[BrianV]

If it’s anything like the English NVZ, the 5 months storage requirement does not mean a 5 month closed period on spreading, England has 3.5 months closed period the rest is a buffer against unsustainable spreading conditions outside the closed period so if it’s wet at the end of the closed period you don’t have to rush out and spread. Or in theory if it’s wet before the closed period starts you don’t have to be completely empty,,,,,,,,,,,,,but that is a bit more of a gamble on what the weather will be like a the other end

Simply points out the lunacy of the policy, it is very possible we might have an extremely dry 3.5 months over the winter period then followed by 6 weeks of rain at which point spreading would have to be done, what then?

 

[davidroberts30]

Simply points out the lunacy of the policy, it is very possible we might have an extremely dry 3.5 months over the winter period then followed by 6 weeks of rain at which point spreading would have to be done, what then?

We end up spread in less than ideal conditions before or after the closed period
Nowt as blind as those that cant see
You do realise that when our proposed closed period ends we will only be allowed to spread itro 2k gallons per acre through February

 

[Yale]

We end up spread in less than ideal conditions before or after the closed period
Nowt as blind as those that cant see
You do realise that when our proposed closed period ends we will only be allowed to spread itro 2k gallons per acre through February

Who’s counting?