All Wales NVZ

[roscoe erf]

Don't know why my posts #9 and #10 the like tabs been removed @Chris F ?
Maybe on meltdown possibly???

na nobody likes you

 

[MRT]

I am worried that if we can't use splash plate spreaders, more will use contractors, and I think bio security is more important with muck/slurry spreading.

So many unintended consequences... Presumably the absolute shite wet, reedy, compacted, acidic, diverse ground I rent and extensively farm with lots of wildlife large and small will be more attractive to nearby dairies to rent as a slurry dump or I bring in thier slurry and it gets double or triple the nitrates it gets now? I farm more intensively and the land gets more uniform?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

So many unintended consequences... Presumably the absolute shite wet, reedy, compacted, acidic, diverse ground I rent and extensively farm with lots of wildlife large and small will be more attractive to nearby dairies to rent as a slurry dump or I bring in thier slurry and it gets double or triple the nitrates it gets now? I farm more intensively and the land gets more uniform?

I was more worried about spreading TB, Johnes, BVD, IBR? how many of them can be spread in slurry? I am guessing slurry is a great medium for spreading bugs and diseases, and it is impossible to pressure wash out all umbilical kit so things will get spread farm to farm. The one immutable law, is the law of unintended consequences!

 

[Yale]

just look at Cardiff airport

Yes,what a shambles,more like something a communist country would do........communism by the back door.

Thinking on a communist NVZ.........treat all members of the Peoples Republic of Wales equally.

 

[d-wales]

We farm within the rules, we have 5 months slurry storage, have never had a pollution incident, don't spread slurry in winter. And it's going to have a huge effect on our business because of the 170 kg nitrate limit. We will have to either acquire 20 hectares of land from somewhere or sell 40 cows.

Serious question...... How do they know how much N you have spread in slurry?

 

[Still Farming]

Serious question...... How do they know how much N you have spread in slurry?

Most probably require an 10k automatic sampling device linked discharge point , to tractor cab and the Senedd to be installed???

 

[Still Farming]

I can only assume that the system thinks you're too modest to like your own posts! If you look at any of your own posts there is never a "like" option.

Possibly changed recently also.

 

[Yale]

Serious question...... How do they know how much N you have spread in slurry?

Exactly,we’ve been NVZ for 20 years,I don’t lose a wink of sleep over it.

 

[d-wales]

Exactly,we’ve been NVZ for 20 years,I don’t lose a wink of sleep over it.

Thats what I'm thinking. Just make sure the paperwork is correct and up to date and your on a winner

 

[davidroberts30]

Exactly,we’ve been NVZ for 20 years,I don’t lose a wink of sleep over it.

so is anything changing for you with new rules and N limits?

 

[Yale]

so is anything changing for you with new rules and N limits?

We were always under the limits,even the lower ones.

 

[neilo]

Serious question...... How do they know how much N you have spread in slurry?

From your accurate records of application rates and sites. Essentially, you need to have access to enough acres of spreadable ground for the number of stock you carry.
Other than that, it’s extra record keeping, a longer closed period for spreading and necessary to have bigger storage than is legally required now (probably sensible anyway, but has been neglected by many as they have expanded).

 

[roscoe erf]

Yes,what a shambles,more like something a communist country would do........communism by the back door.

Thinking on a communist NVZ.........treat all members of the Peoples Republic of Wales equally.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Where can I find the rules on Wales NVZ? Is there a page on the wg site?

 

[Werzle]

We farm within the rules, we have 5 months slurry storage, have never had a pollution incident, don't spread slurry in winter. And it's going to have a huge effect on our business because of the 170 kg nitrate limit. We will have to either acquire 20 hectares of land from somewhere or sell 40 cows.

The ways things are going you will make as much with 40 less cows!

 

[vantage]

Serious question...... How do they know how much N you have spread in slurry?

They don’t.
Standardised figures being used, spreading 3000gallons of dilute parlour washing is the same as 3000gallons of slurry from slats....... obviously!

 

[Ribble]

So will this create a situation where some people pay to spread slurry on other people's land, or at least spread it for free?

Does that already happen at all?

 

[Ffarmwr bach]

Two maps. One showing the pollution from annual Sewerage storm and the second showing 10 yr agricultural pollution. Much easier to kick farmers , than improve sewerage and ask voters to pay for those improvements.

 

[davidroberts30]

Two maps. One showing the pollution from annual Sewerage storm and the second showing 10 yr agricultural pollution. Much easier to kick farmers , than improve sewerage and ask voters to pay for those improvements.
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Thanks for them imagescan I ask where you found them as I was looking on NRA but couldn't find them

 

[Andrew_Ni]

So will this create a situation where some people pay to spread slurry on other people's land, or at least spread it for free?

Does that already happen at all?

All of Northern Ireland had been in an NVZ since 2007. "Slurry acres" are a paper exercise and are advertised as such in the press for trading. They may be 50 miles away but as long as "on paper" your exporting your excess N, there doesn't seem to be an issue.