Am I being paid ok?

[graham99]

Any 21 year old that turns up on time and works hard is worth £10 an hour I think.

Dont be shirty with your present employer. Explain someone else has offered you £10 an hour and you are very tempted to accept.

well i stand corrected. as cost of living in the UK must be the cheapest in the world .and that is why all the muslims are moving there.

 

[graham99]

A dairy farmer i know is really struggling to find staff, just lack of people intrested in this part of the world ! You would get £10 per hour in your pocket and a house for a minimum 45hr week but could work as many as you want all paid !

can a farm owener over there please take the 10 quid an hour for 40 hours ,go to town rent a house ,get the phone on ,get the power on and buy a car and pay the running cost's involved to get to the farm without the tax breakes the farmer gets

 

[graham99]

meh

I spent 3 yrs working in the UK on farms
I had no commitments, no debt, no responsibilities & accommodation was provided, so I was free to spend all my money on beer, food & petrol. So, I did have a lot of fun & relatively free to spend money on anything However, I was shocked at how expensive things were . Many things seemed to be similar numbers to home except with a pound sign in front instead of dollars - except my wage.
In general, the standard of living, housing, education all seemed lower in the UK for 'working' people than here

what are a " lot " of things that are cheaper in the UK ? There is no way I could sell up, migrate & maintain the standard of living I do here. At UK wages, it seems I certainly couldn't afford to work on farms either . . .

$15 / hr is hardly a high wage, neither was it demanded. It was offered . . .
its not really about workers demanding higher wages, the reality is if employers want to attract or retain staff, then wages need to demonstrate this & be competitive with other jobs

the funny thing is ,the same thing aply's to the farmer .if a farmer cannot farm with days cop he should move on and let some one else have a go

 

[Robigus]

Agreed
My point is so many people seem to rely on advice from some bloke down the pub or a spooty kid who googled a bit and thinks he knows everything ...

Is this not the entire raison d'être of internet forums?

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[Cowabunga]

the funny thing is ,the same thing aply's to the farmer .if a farmer cannot farm with days cop he should move on and let some one else have a go

The easiest way for my business to run more efficiently would be to make the cowman redundant, get rid of forty cows and do all the milking myself. Reducing the size of my business and not employing people would certainly increase my retained profits and I suspect that would be the case on many other farms where contractors and part timer's could benefit the business [Instead of full time labour]. This is especially true where more of the business can be mechanised for increased productivity per person and where family labour can do the remaining work.

Why should a farmer get out and let someone else have a go if he can consolidate his business to produce less, ranch, and make a better living for his family? A proper businessman who is focussed, shouldn't give a sh!t for the other man wanting to have a go, but should concentrate on his own family's fortunes and business even if it means getting rid of a £10+ an hour cost to his business.

 

[ollie989898]

can a farm owener over there please take the 10 quid an hour for 40 hours ,go to town rent a house ,get the phone on ,get the power on and buy a car and pay the running cost's involved to get to the farm without the tax breakes the farmer gets

There you go bringing economics into farming again, you will be branded a heretic before long!

 

[dinderleat]

When you employ someone they should bring at least double what they are paid to the business wether that is increased efficiency’s, regular time off for employees currently employed making these employees more productive, they will also bring ideas and different mind sets to a business which will help the business develop further.

 

[dinderleat]

We have been looking for a worker as our apprentice left which was a great shame (didn’t like milking).
When candidates have come for an interview I have asked what they would be happy to be paid.

 

[ollie989898]

We have been looking for a worker as our apprentice left which was a great shame (didn’t like milking).
When candidates have come for an interview I have asked what they would be happy to be paid.

If you need helping odd days out I can pop down. I can just about drive without hitting things, did a few days at Knapp with only minor cockups.

Havent milked a cow since college mind.

 

[dinderleat]

If you need helping odd days out I can pop down. I can just about drive without hitting things, did a few days at Knapp with only minor cockups.

Havent milked a cow since college mind.

Cheers, but I have a chap starting on Thursday so should be alright I hope.

You missing driving around the countryside with yet.

 

[ollie989898]

Cheers, but I have a chap starting on Thursday so should be alright I hope.

You missing driving around the countryside with yet.

Been quietly assisting colleague two days a week so still get to see a lot of it. Very much miss the people but not the stress.

 

[graham99]

The easiest way for my business to run more efficiently would be to make the cowman redundant, get rid of forty cows and do all the milking myself. Reducing the size of my business and not employing people would certainly increase my retained profits and I suspect that would be the case on many other farms where contractors and part timer's could benefit the business [Instead of full time labour]. This is especially true where more of the business can be mechanised for increased productivity per person and where family labour can do the remaining work.

Why should a farmer get out and let someone else have a go if he can consolidate his business to produce less, ranch, and make a better living for his family? A proper businessman who is focussed, shouldn't give a sh!t for the other man wanting to have a go, but should concentrate on his own family's fortunes and business even if it means getting rid of a £10+ an hour cost to his business.

because what you described will mean you will get even less for your product

 

[graham99]

We have been looking for a worker as our apprentice left which was a great shame (didn’t like milking).
When candidates have come for an interview I have asked what they would be happy to be paid.

and also do they like milking

 

[graham99]

There you go bringing economics into farming again, you will be branded a heretic before long!

a lot of kiwis are about to get lesson in economics ,and is not going to be nice ,and only trump can save us.
but i do not think he is going to let tthe rest of the world buy oil from IRAN ands VENESWHALER any time soon.
so we heading into a brick wall with high debt,high oil prices ,and a farming problem that may lower property values

 

[Cowabunga]

because what you described will mean you will get even less for your product

Yeah right! NOT.
There's no direct relationship between an individual's cost cutting and the price obtained from the market. In this case, if everyone shed labour and reduced costs and output, the output unit price should rise, not fall.

 

[dinderleat]

and also do they like milking

Yes it was my first question. He’s been working as a relief and just wants some security.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

When you employ someone they should bring at least double what they are paid to the business whether that is increased efficiency’s, regular time off for employees currently employed making these employees more productive, they will also bring ideas and different mind sets to a business which will help the business develop further.

Bingo.

This is Karl Marx's theory of 'Surplus Value', concisely summarised as:

"A worker who is sufficiently productive can produce an output value greater than what it costs to hire him"

All employers should be striving to make it a reality

(and so capture the proceeds of labour from the workers, therefore fuelling our capitalist society)

 

[ollie989898]

a lot of kiwis are about to get lesson in economics ,and is not going to be nice ,and only trump can save us.
but i do not think he is going to let tthe rest of the world buy oil from IRAN ands VENESWHALER any time soon.
so we heading into a brick wall with high debt,high oil prices ,and a farming problem that may lower property values

Oil in the short to medium terms is flat. USA are exporting it now. World economy is flat and now you have electric cars which can run on natural gas or coal both of which are cheap.