AMDC Energy Ltd

DodgyBattery

New Member
Hi all,

new to this forum so bear with me...

Been approached by someone proporting to represent this company.
They want to rent a small parcel of land to setup a 'battery farm' and connect to local DNO substation.
Some due diligence background googling throws up a number of holes in their proposition and company
authenticity. (www.AMDCEnergy.com)

Has anyone else been approached? if so can they share their experience

Many thanks
 
Hi all,

Some due diligence background googling throws up a number of holes in their proposition and company
authenticity. (www.AMDCEnergy.com)

No but I wouldnt have a lot of confidence myself. The website ownership is obscured behind a proxy as well.

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Expiration Date:
2018-09-30
Updated Date:
2017-10-01
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The Director Mr Mohammed seems to have 2 other recent companies with little detail

ASHIAKLE LIMITED (10265496)

and

TRANS ECO MINERALS AND MINING LTD (08191274)



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DodgyBattery

New Member
Yes I agree, even without hacking the website code, there are a couple of schoolboy errors in the post code details on it including differing post codes one of which appears to be a Tescos store!
The gentleman that contacted me has a dubious career history according to companies house and Linkedin.

thanks for your help
 

DodgyBattery

New Member
Ha I see, sounds like a cunning, but very dodgy plan! thanks for your input hopefully some other forumites will benefit from this thread.
The guy that contacted me appears not to have any public (ie web found connection) with AMDC Energy Ltd but was proporting to be a 'Land Agent'
using google mapping to do his research....
 

PhilSL

Member
Trade
Location
Manchester
Hi all,

new to this forum so bear with me...

Been approached by someone proporting to represent this company.
They want to rent a small parcel of land to setup a 'battery farm' and connect to local DNO substation.
Some due diligence background googling throws up a number of holes in their proposition and company
authenticity. (www.AMDCEnergy.com)

Has anyone else been approached? if so can they share their experience

Many thanks

There are a fair few companies now trying to get 'exclusivity' agreements with landowners based on some very 'odd' financials.
Wasted Years is right, these type of companies simply want the grid connections which they will then 'hawk' around.
The advice we have been giving is for landowners to get the grid connection in their own name - this secures the landowners position. Any reputable company which then wishes to lease land from the landowners will quite happily deal with the grid connection being in the landowners name, in a correct and legal manner.
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Careful what your posting people........

There is whole plethora of so called ' Energy ' Companies, all looking to make a buck.

Each has a model they think will make them rich, however some succeed some don't.

By all means offer reference, however be very careful what you say about any individuals.
 
And if you are dealing with a company which deals in battery storage amongst other things and appears all above board and capable of filling in a grid connection request on your behalf for say £750 and you offer to pay them double , to be taken out out the first years income and they go quiet !!

It makes you think that all they are about is raising consultancy fees and not really serious about a physical project even though there is in the region of 400,000 kWh of wind energy available annually and should the numbers stack up a further 400,000 kWh per year based on approved planning and physical grid connection for 1.1 mWh being in place and paid for.
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
And if you are dealing with a company which deals in battery storage amongst other things and appears all above board and capable of filling in a grid connection request on your behalf for say £750 and you offer to pay them double , to be taken out out the first years income and they go quiet !!

It makes you think that all they are about is raising consultancy fees and not really serious about a physical project even though there is in the region of 400,000 kWh of wind energy available annually and should the numbers stack up a further 400,000 kWh per year based on approved planning and physical grid connection for 1.1 mWh being in place and paid for.


No, this is slightly different.

In many cases projects do not go forward, the conversion ratio is low.

Why do you expect them to do it for nothing now, and Jam tomorrow ?

What if you do not go ahead, then what ?
 
No, this is slightly different.

In many cases projects do not go forward, the conversion ratio is low.

Why do you expect them to do it for nothing now, and Jam tomorrow ?

What if you do not go ahead, then what ?

If I did not go ahead with the Co concerned then I would have no qualms about paying for something which they had not benefitted from, but all the promises would suggest that this was a dead cert - Obviously not and all they are doing is generating fees.
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
If I did not go ahead with the Co concerned then I would have no qualms about paying for something which they had not benefitted from, but all the promises would suggest that this was a dead cert - Obviously not and all they are doing is generating fees.

do they have shares in the project ?
 

thesilentone

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Would be on a rental basis for the land used which is in the immediate proximity to the new subtation - They want to provide, install and manage the battery storage.

So I assume the answer is no ? They simply like the location ?

Do you want the project to go ahead, or are not bothered ?
 
Ultimately the project will go ahead, but judging by past experiences this company probably not survive and it will go the way of many other renewables consultancies - Thrice bitten makes you cautious about dealing through intermediaries....
 
There are a fair few companies now trying to get 'exclusivity' agreements with landowners based on some very 'odd' financials.
Wasted Years is right, these type of companies simply want the grid connections which they will then 'hawk' around.
The advice we have been giving is for landowners to get the grid connection in their own name - this secures the landowners position. Any reputable company which then wishes to lease land from the landowners will quite happily deal with the grid connection being in the landowners name, in a correct and legal manner.

But not without demanding "Money Up Front" though !!
 

PhilSL

Member
Trade
Location
Manchester
And if you are dealing with a company which deals in battery storage amongst other things and appears all above board and capable of filling in a grid connection request on your behalf for say £750 and you offer to pay them double , to be taken out out the first years income and they go quiet !!

It makes you think that all they are about is raising consultancy fees and not really serious about a physical project even though there is in the region of 400,000 kWh of wind energy available annually and should the numbers stack up a further 400,000 kWh per year based on approved planning and physical grid connection for 1.1 mWh being in place and paid for.

Thanks for the reply Courier.

I do take it that you are replying directly to us at ValeEC?

As has been mentioned above, projects do not always go ahead, for various reasons.

One of the main reasons we very rarely go the 'exclusivity' route now is because we have experienced situations where there have been third party negotiations, which we were not aware of, running parallel to our efforts. And in situations where these third party deals were accpeted by the client over our deal, as you can imagine, we found it quite annoying when this happened taken the time/funds we had invested in to the project(s), only to be thwarted, by a third party, who was unknown to us. We then have a choice to take legal action for breach of the exclusivity agreement to recover our costs,or not. This is why we now charge for our services, and I am in no way stating you would have circumvented us.
The other point to signing an exclusivity is that the grid connection would be in the name of the third party who holds the exclusivity agreement, and if the project does not progress the landowner has to a) have the grid connection transferred into their name, if the DNO in question offers this facility, or b) start the grid connection application process again.

It is over 18 months ago since when we first came to see you at your site. And at this first meeting we walked the site, discussed what you wanted to achieve, and the option for an exclusivity agreement deal was available to you, at the time. For whatever reason, the exclusivity option was not taken up. This was your choice.
Also at the time, the appetite in the market for sites such as yours was very positive, as explained to you. At no time did we state anything was a 'dead cert'.
Furthermore, the situation was such that the 'actual' capacity of grid connection(s) available at your site, had yet to be determined. Determination in any project of this type does not constitute a telephone conversation with the DNO. Actual documentation needs to be submitted to the DNO to secure even a budgetary cost for a grid connection. Any landowner is free to submit their own grid connection application, and support documents; boundary plans, battery spec to be used, schematic drawings and then liaise with the DNO and other various parties, amongst other things, or they can pay for our services, it's the landowner's choice.

After a further period of some 12-14 months passed, and once you had returned from New Zealand, you then made contact with us again. (As part of our business operation we do not 'chase' potential clients once we have outlined the options to them, it's their decision to make, so we leave potential clients to it). During the time between our first meeting and you contacting us again, our business operations had changed. And as stated above, we now very rarely enter into exclusivity agreements on projects. So, the £750.00+VAT you were quoted was for a formal grid connection costing on the three levels; 1.1MW, 4MW and 10MW, with the grid connection in your name, not the name of a third party - this is the service we now provide. You are free to accept our quotes for the services, or not. The choice is yours and we certainly do not 'demand money' from anyone or force people to use our services.

You have made other assumptions in your other comments, about our business. Please let me address them;

You did indeed propose the offer of no-payment upfront for our services, but you would then pay us 'double the amount' out of the first years income. We must apologise for going 'quiet' when we should have actually said no at the time of the conversation in respect of the said offer.


'Ultimately the project will go ahead, but judging by past experiences this company probably not survive and it will go the way of many other renewables consultancies - Thrice bitten makes you cautious about dealing through intermediaries...' - firstly, I wish you all the best for your project and hope it is successful. We will not go the way of other renewables consultancies, in fact we are going the opposite way having signed distribution and partnership agreements with one battery manufacturer/installer and one energy storage unit manufacturer, for their products and services.

As far as we are concerned we have visited you, at our cost, given you time and advice in respect of your site and quoted you for our grid connection submission services, which you have decided not to accept.
You have not signed any exclusivity agreement with us, you have not paid us any monies for any services which you haven't received, and you haven't incurred any costs, so I cannot understand why you are making the comments you have made?
 
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