Ammunition for vegans

[Devil's advocate]

Bit scary really.

Too far in my opinion, but certainly the way things are going in most of the world. Need some respect for the animal.

 

[Barleycorn]

Be even worse if the chickens had to listen to that Godawful music!!

 

[betweenthelines]

Sorry, saw the title and thought the vegan shooting season begins on March 1st

 

[Henarar]

Sorry, saw the title and thought the vegan shooting season begins on March 1st

It has and there is a good market selling them for vegan burger production, so get out and fill your bag before the season ends

 

[unlacedgecko]

Sorry, saw the title and thought the vegan shooting season begins on March 1st

Make sure you use expanding tip non lead ammo. Copper is best.

Be safe, ensure a downed vegan is totally dead before approaching. They can be dangerous, especially when wounded. Best practice is use of a scent trailing dog for follow up.

 

[beefandsleep]

Horrific, but then I find most broiler production horrific.

 

[David.]

Just to play devils advocate for a minute, if we accept that commercial broiler production will never be open air free to roam etc, what is wrong with this?
Chooks needs are met; food, water, light, freedom from undue stress, handled gently from what I can see, monitored 24/7 possibly better than by an aversge stockman.
I'd like to agree that it is cruel, but I can't.
I doubt they are sitting there wishing they were ankle deep in slop, and overrun by rats like some freedom egg places I gave seen.
Like it or not, it is lowest cost meat production that happened to involve live birds, that lived in controlled optimum conditions for maximum output for 5/6 weeks or so.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Horrific, but then I find most broiler production horrific.

Cattle will go the same way when we aren’t allowed to castrate them and they have to stay inside

 

[beefandsleep]

Cattle will go the same way when we aren’t allowed to castrate them and they have to stay inside

Bulls can be kept outside on bull beef feeders in the summer cheaper than they can be housed though. Housing in winter will continue as it is now.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Bulls can be kept outside on bull beef feeders in the summer cheaper than they can be housed though. Housing in winter will continue as it is now.

Bulls kept outside? Yea if you’ve got concrete panels for fencing

 

[beefandsleep]

Do you graze a bull with your cows?
I can see were your coming from but if you are in the game of producing in spec bulls in the future we are talking about 14m 650kg barley fed cattle. There’s nothing like a belly full of corn to quieten down the lairyest of beasts, and they all respect a good mains fencer.
It’s not the way I want things to go but it wouldn’t be an insurmountable problem.
I do think castration under local anaesthetic is very easy to justify with cattle though do I’m not worried just yet.

 

[michael N123]

Bulls kept outside? Yea if you’ve got concrete panels for fencing

Proberly helps to be a lot further south to any cattle outside would Look terrible on my farm at the moment

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Do you graze a bull with your cows?
I can see were your coming from but if you are in the game of producing in spec bulls in the future we are talking about 14m 650kg barley fed cattle. There’s nothing like a belly full of corn to quieten down the lairyest of beasts, and they all respect a good mains fencer.
It’s not the way I want things to go but it wouldn’t be an insurmountable problem.
I do think castration under local anaesthetic is very easy to justify with cattle though do I’m not worried just yet.

Of course I run a bull with cows but he’s too busy shagging to wear fences as earrings

 

[beefandsleep]

Just to play devils advocate for a minute, if we accept that commercial broiler production will never be open air free to roam etc, what is wrong with this?
Chooks needs are met; food, water, light, freedom from undue stress, handled gently from what I can see, monitored 24/7 possibly better than by an aversge stockman.
I'd like to agree that it is cruel, but I can't.
I doubt they are sitting there wishing they were ankle deep in slop, and overrun by rats like some freedom egg places I gave seen.
Like it or not, it is lowest cost meat production that happened to involve live birds, that lived in controlled optimum conditions for maximum output for 5/6 weeks or so.

If that’s the future of meat production then it probably is best produced in a lab.

 

[Agrivator]

The broilers are certainly kept under better conditions than many of the world's children.

 

[deleted user 837354]

The broilers are certainly kept under better conditions than many of the world's children.

I resent that; he is hosed off and changed daily with fresh bedding. And I'll tell you now the chain is for the protection of the public and us. You don't want this boy escaping, just 2 minutes is enough to do thousands of quids worth of property damage.

 

[betweenthelines]

Does any farmer like keeping chickens in sheds or pigs indoors all their life? I very much doubt it.

But they do so for one simple reason-economic pressure. What price would eggs or bacon be if farmers were to keep the animals in the way they (and the animals) would prefer?

I'm damn sure the vast majority of the public wouldn't pay the price. So the stock have to.

 

[beefandsleep]

Does any farmer like keeping chickens in sheds or pigs indoors all their life? I very much doubt it.

But they do so for one simple reason-economic pressure. What price would eggs or bacon be if farmers were to keep the animals in the way they (and the animals) would prefer?

I'm damn sure the vast majority of the public wouldn't pay the price. So the stock have to.

Wrong wrong wrong. The public would pay the price but would probably consume less. Prices have been driven lower and lower by these production “advances”. This has allowed people to pay less for food and more for manufactured goods. The stock don’t HAVE to suffer.

 

[Turkish_FR]

Sorry, saw the title and thought the vegan shooting season begins on March 1st

lol I thought vegans begin shooting around.

You are agressive.

 

[David.]

But back to OP,
I am not convinced those chooks are suffering.
There are some things well to be resigned to the past, like castrating weaners at 5wks without anaesthetising, giving stirks their Burdizzo corporal stripes, again without anaesthetising, yet both were common when I was a boy.
But animals of little brain power, that certainly lack rational thought and premonition, that have all their material needs catered for? I wouldnt say that was suffering.
Is the objection here mainly that the birds are in tiered cages rather than in a flat house on shavings, if so, millions of of layers spend 12 or 15 months living the same way..