An historic day for the UK......

[jendan]

Hmm... right at the top of my, and I suspect most others', opinion as to what is 'best' for the country, is it being a democracy. We've seen the video - in other threads - showing so many of the lovely remainer politicians assuring us that they would respect the 'once in a lifetime' referendum result... If you can think of any argument that successfully places the views of a few hundred MPs over those of a majority of the referendum poll and doesn't see democracy trashed, I'll be interested to read it.


Want to bet on that? You and a lot of others are going to look pretty daft and will be mincing a lot of words when the next few years proves you wrong. And, rather importantly, the EU won't be over-happy either since other countries will start thinking about leaving too.

Rather than poking remainers and saying that we want the UK to suffer and fail,which is untrue and nonsense,you on the other hand want the rest of the EU to fall apart and fail,garnished with your anti German sentiments.We will not crash and fail overnight when we leave.Rather it will be a slow and steady slide into a much diminished role in world trade and affairs.Expect to hear much more from the likes of Putin and others that "the UK is a little island in the North Atlantic of 65 million people"

 

[Mek]

Hmm... right at the top of my, and I suspect most others', opinion as to what is 'best' for the country, is it being a democracy. We've seen the video - in other threads - showing so many of the lovely remainer politicians assuring us that they would respect the 'once in a lifetime' referendum result... If you can think of any argument that successfully places the views of a few hundred MPs over those of a majority of the referendum poll and doesn't see democracy trashed, I'll be interested to read it.

I’ve seen it stated many times that the Brexit referendum has no legal standing. I’m not clever enough or informed enough to know whether this is true,I expect you to be able to enlighten me there. But if it is true then I don’t see it as trashing democracy. If it’s true, it’s no more than an advisory referendum with no more standing than when the great British public decided that the Antarctic survey vessel should be named Boaty Mc Boatface. If it’s not true then I guess I can live with being called a treasonous anarchist.

Want to bet on that? You and a lot of others are going to look pretty daft and will be mincing a lot of words when the next few years proves you wrong. And, rather importantly, the EU won't be over-happy either since other countries will start thinking about leaving too.When the country does leave the EU and if the economy goes from strength to strength,I personally have no problem looking pretty daft providing that we don’t hear any complaint from Brexiters if the economy weakens.

 

[Danllan]

Rather than poking remainers and saying that we want the UK to suffer and fail,which is untrue and nonsense,you on the other hand want the rest of the EU to fall apart and fail,garnished with your anti German sentiments.We will not crash and fail overnight when we leave.Rather it will be a slow and steady slide into a much diminished role in world trade and affairs.Expect to hear much more from the likes of Putin and others that "the UK is a little island in the North Atlantic of 65 million people"

You are a liar. You will not be able to cite a single post of mine in any thread that infers, let alone states that I want the EU to fall apart (I don't care what happens to it provided it doesn't affect the UK adversely); although there are many posts by me stating that I think it will fall apart unless it makes very major reforms.

I am deeply suspicious of the German state and the French one too, with good reason, I have no problem with the peoples of either country. Putin will play anyone he can against anyone else and you'll help by stoking the divisions too, and Putin will trade on that - while financed by your chums in Germany etc.... oh, the irony.

 

[jendan]

You are a liar. You will not be able to cite a single post of mine in any thread that infers, let alone states that I want the EU to fall apart (I don't care what happens to it provided it doesn't affect the UK adversely); although there are many posts by me stating that I think it will fall apart unless it makes very major reforms.

I am deeply suspicious of the German state and the French one too, with good reason, I have no problem with the peoples of either country. Putin will play anyone he can against anyone else and you'll help by stoking the divisions too, and Putin will trade on that - while financed by your chums in Germany etc.... oh, the irony.

"i dont care what happens to it"............tells us all we need to know about what you think! "stoking the divisions too".............oh,the irony! It amazes me that any well educated person could actually contemplate that "the German State" would even attempt to cause trouble again,having learnt from the past. You are still living in WW2. As for suspicious of the French State?,i genuinely cant think of anything.Maybe our friends on the forum living in France might tell us. From your last post,and although you are very well educated,i just think you are plain bonkers.

 

[JCMaloney]

The EU, as an overall project, is "one size can fit all".
It can`t, at least not without taking from the "have`s" and giving to the "have not`s".
This graph will look far less balanced without the UK.

And lets not mention the basket case economies in that mix.....

 

[Muck Spreader]

I am deeply suspicious of the German state and the French one too, with good reason, I have no problem with the peoples of either country. Putin will play anyone he can against anyone else and you'll help by stoking the divisions too, and Putin will trade on that - while financed by your chums in Germany etc.... oh, the irony.

I bet the German and French states have far bigger suspicions of the UK state at present. Particularly as even it's own population doesn't appear trust it anymore.

 

[Henarar]

Rather than poking remainers and saying that we want the UK to suffer and fail,which is untrue and nonsense,you on the other hand want the rest of the EU to fall apart and fail,garnished with your anti German sentiments.We will not crash and fail overnight when we leave.Rather it will be a slow and steady slide into a much diminished role in world trade and affairs.Expect to hear much more from the likes of Putin and others that "the UK is a little island in the North Atlantic of 65 million people"

Isn't that what the UK is despite some remainers talk of eu empire

 

[Tarw Coch]

ooops not sure what went wrong there, my post is in reply to one made by Mek at 11.36 am
I’m no legal expert but I believe it is true that the referendum was legally only advisory, however, in the run up to the vote every single politician I can recall from David Cameron down, were adamant that the result would be implemented, I don’t recall any remain supporting MPs warning that the referendum was only advisory they were all saying the result would decide once and for all.

Furthermore, at the last general election both labour and conservative candidates stood on a manifesto of delivering Brexit,

 

[Mek]

ooops not sure what went wrong there, my post is in reply to one made by Mek at 11.36 am
I’m no legal expert but I believe it is true that the referendum was legally only advisory, however, in the run up to the vote every single politician I can recall from David Cameron down, were adamant that the result would be implemented, I don’t recall any remain supporting MPs warning that the referendum was only advisory they were all saying the result would decide once and for all.

Furthermore, at the last general election both labour and conservative candidates stood on a manifesto of delivering Brexit,

So,it’s not exactly a trashing of democracy. Just a bunch of MP’s lying through their teeth........who’d have thought it ??

 

[Tarw Coch]

So,it’s not exactly a trashing of democracy. Just a bunch of MP’s lying through their teeth........who’d have thought it ??

I’m sure it would take a better bloke than me to properly define democracy but how about parliament/MP’s respecting the will of the people?

I think most people realise any MP saying the referendum was only advisory is trying to weasel out of what they had previously committed to, I think democracy has been damaged by the whole Brexit debacle, it does make you wonder what Parliament would have done without Brexit as they have debated little else in allmost 4 years.

 

[Henarar]

it does make you wonder what Parliament would have done without Brexit as they have debated little else in allmost 4 years.

well on the bright side at least while the remainer parliament have been fecking up brexit they haven't been fecking up anything else

 

[Danllan]

"i dont care what happens to it"............tells us all we need to know about what you think! "stoking the divisions too".............oh,the irony! It amazes me that any well educated person could actually contemplate that "the German State" would even attempt to cause trouble again,having learnt from the past. You are still living in WW2. As for suspicious of the French State?,i genuinely cant think of anything.Maybe our friends on the forum living in France might tell us. From your last post,and although you are very well educated,i just think you are plain bonkers.

Yes, I write honestly and care most for my own nation, what awful sins! I have no ill-will to the EU and wish it no harm, but won't pretend that I think it a good or benign thing, or would be sad to see it end. It is anti-democratic and that is anathema to me, and don't forget your chum, the idiot Verhofstadt, and his recent tirade at the Liberal 'Democrat' conference announcing that the EU must be an Empire!

You either forget very easily or choose not to recall the actions of the German state even very recently... talk to the Greeks, talk to the Italians, talk to the Spanish (and the Portuguese) and talk to the German people themselves, who have had a million unwanted Middle-Eastern immigrants imposed upon them. It has been Germany as the 'driving force' behind a European Army, Germany wanting it's policies (and immigrants) imposed throughout Europe. The reason for all this? Germany knows best and must be in charge. Cue you saying something along the lines of 'Well, they do know best...'

France is, probably, the least trustworthy 'ally' that the UK or any other country has ever had, both politically and militarily. As I wrote earlier, the people are fine and I have many friends from France, two very close, but the sum total of the Quai d'Orsay's output has always been and, it seems, still remains to see what is best for France - fair enough - and worst for the UK. The lovely French state has threatened the UK with open door immigration, has committed terrorist acts on the soil of our kith and kin, they are always there when they need you...

I bet the German and French states have far bigger suspicions of the UK state at present. Particularly as even it's own population doesn't appear trust it anymore.

Clearly not you, since you aren't part of it, so I guess you mean some lefty-liberal 'activists'. Fair enough, rent-a-mob types though they are, they don't trust the UK state. I wonder how much they are outnumbered by the yellow vests over there in France? And have you seen the opinion polls showing how much the average German doesn't trust Mrs Merkel in re her open-door immigration and dolling out their tax-money? But all that is different, of course...

 

[Henarar]

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[JCMaloney]

So it sort of passed, then paused................

The bill contains information that has been in white papers and debates over the last year and longer. This didn`t appear "overnight"....... they need to pull on the grown up pants and get the feck on with it.

 

[Highland Mule]

So it sort of passed, then paused................

The bill contains information that has been in white papers and debates over the last year and longer. This didn`t appear "overnight"....... they need to pull on the grown up pants and get the feck on with it.

As with all legislation the devil is in the detail and I personally want all legislation to have proper scrutiny.

TM had eight weeks in her timetable for going through her deal, and Boris had three days - around 8% of the time he tried to get to write his Queen's speech.....

 

[alex04w]

So it sort of passed, then paused................

The bill contains information that has been in white papers and debates over the last year and longer. This didn`t appear "overnight"....... they need to pull on the grown up pants and get the feck on with it.

Can you show us where for the last 3 years it has been stated that customs documentation will be needed between NI and GB and vice versa.

The NI Secretary yesterday and the interim head of HMRC today could not even explain how it would happen or in what circumstances it should happen.

 

[bobk]

As with all legislation the devil is in the detail and I personally want all legislation to have proper scrutiny.

TM had eight weeks in her timetable for going through her deal, and Boris had three days - around 8% of the time he tried to get to write his Queen's speech.....

I agree with that , unfortunately the more scrutiny= more amendments = from the EU .

This bill should be non amendable , yeh or nay .

 

[JCMaloney]

Can you show us where for the last 3 years it has been stated that customs documentation will be needed between NI and GB and vice versa.

The NI Secretary yesterday and the interim head of HMRC today could not even explain how it would happen or in what circumstances it should happen.

Anyone could focus on one small issue that can easily be resolved, the "job" is getting us out of the EU and then resolving the proportionately smaller stuff after.
NI will have to complete declaration forms for goods coming to the UK, its about as light touch as you can get, and would be open to debate/resolution if the devolved assembly could sit in the same room.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Anyone could focus on one small issue that can easily be resolved, the "job" is getting us out of the EU and then resolving the proportionately smaller stuff after.
NI will have to complete declaration forms for goods coming to the UK, its about as light touch as you can get, and would be open to debate/resolution if the devolved assembly could sit in the same room.

It maybe a light touch to you and I. But I am sure many Unionists see it is halfway to Irish reunification and to be resisted at all costs.

 

[ollie989898]

The EU, as an overall project, is "one size can fit all".
It can`t, at least not without taking from the "have`s" and giving to the "have not`s".
This graph will look far less balanced without the UK.

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And lets not mention the basket case economies in that mix.....

Your graph is interesting. Might it explain how Tusk got his job.