"Animal Rights" activists & McDonalds

[Ffermer Bach]

 

[Ffermer Bach]

 

[Tarw Coch]

I think veganism should be classed as an eating disorder like bulimia. Particularly were people have been suffering from it for more than a year. There is plenty of evidence nowadays that such extreme diets are detrimental both mentally and physically, particularly so in the the young.

I think I’m right in saying that it’s illegal to feed a child a vegan diet in Italy.

Humans have evolved as omnivores, a vegan diet is an unnatural diet for us.

 

[Pasty]

My sister has been turned vegan by her daughter. She keeps telling me about videos she’s seen about animal cruelty. She says baby male chicks are minced alive and male cows are knocked on the head in dairy herds? Is this right? I find it hard to believe?!

Yes, that's true.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Yes, that's true.

Umm. What’s true?
Don’t know owt about chickens but I’ve never “knocked a male cow on the head”.............perhaps I’m doing something wrong

 

[Pasty]

Umm. What’s true?
Don’t know owt about chickens but I’ve never “knocked a male cow on the head”.............perhaps I’m doing something wrong

Male chicks are routinely minced or gassed in the egg industry. Mostly though sex linked genetics so you can tell by feather colour. I think knocking a male cow on the head would be against BBC LGBTQ guidelines but bull calves are mostly binned in dairy businesses.

 

[arcobob]

Approximately 75% of the earth is covered in water and 96% of that is saline. It delivers a food source which is not available to vegans but is the major staple protein source in many countries. Fish are also the major source of vitamin D other than sunlight because plants are pretty much devoid of this particular vitamin. Carnivorous animals cannot produce vitamin D from sunlight and humans have a variable and seasonal capacity to do so. Black skinned people who become vegans have to supplement their diet with vitamin extracts from guess where? Fish oil. Vitamin D is vital for animal immune systems and is produced in abundance by herbivorous animals.
Whether you believe that this is an act of God or simple evolution it is a fact of life and we are omnivorous.
As mentioned earlier, the high protein plants required to sustain levels required are largely legumes and the most productive are produced in sub tropical climates by plundering grasslands and forest areas, soya being the prime example.
In a nutshell the planet cannot sustain veganism without a massive reduction in human population. Who is willing to sacrifice their own life or even their way of life to save animals without punishing the environment?
As for animal cruelty, that is part of another campaign. Egg laying breeds of chicken resulting in high populations of day old cockerels used to be manually segregated and the males gassed. In the old days most animal breeds were dual purpose beef/milk or egg/meat. I suspect that today we are well on the way towards manipulation of sexual segregation genetically. Someone may enlighten.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Male chicks are routinely minced or gassed in the egg industry. Mostly though sex linked genetics so you can tell by feather colour. I think knocking a male cow on the head would be against BBC LGBTQ guidelines but bull calves are mostly binned in dairy businesses.

As I say, I know next to nowt about poultry but I can’t say I know a dairy farm that routinely knocks male calves on the head and bins them, why would they when they can be sold

 

[Pasty]

As I say, I know next to nowt about poultry but I can’t say I know a dairy farm that routinely knocks male calves on the head and bins them, why would they when they can be sold

Well I stand corrected then. That was the case when I was milking 30 years ago. Apologies.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Male chicks are routinely minced or gassed in the egg industry. Mostly though sex linked genetics so you can tell by feather colour. I think knocking a male cow on the head would be against BBC LGBTQ guidelines but bull calves are mostly binned in dairy businesses.

so, it's a matter of choice to kill or abort a human baby, all fine, but totally beyond the pale and unacceptable to kill a calf or chick ~ seem to be some double standards here I think! By my thoughts, it should be the other way round.

 

[kfpben]

Male chicks are routinely minced or gassed in the egg industry. Mostly though sex linked genetics so you can tell by feather colour. I think knocking a male cow on the head would be against BBC LGBTQ guidelines but bull calves are mostly binned in dairy businesses.

The vast, vast majority of bull calves are sold for rearing for beef, not binned. When you see calf prices now why wouldn’t they be?

 

[Tarw Coch]

Well I stand corrected then. That was the case when I was milking 30 years ago. Apologies.

Ermmm no, it wasn’t the case 30 years ago either, not here at least nor do I know anyone else who has routinely killed male calfs, indeed they were worth as much if not more 30 years ago than than today in pounds which accounting for inflation would have made them even more valuable then.
I can only wonder why you used to do it.

Of course there will allways be the odd problem calf, I had one last year, appeared normal and healthy but after a couple of days was straining.
On examination it had no anus, called the vet out to have a look, they said they could do an exploratory opp but there was no guarantee that they could do anything and if there was didn’t offer great hopes of survival so they put it to sleep with lethal injection. These sorts of things do happen from time to time but they’re hardly a part of the regular routine

 

[Alias]

It is possible to determine the sex of an egg before it hatches. This is already available commercially, at a premium, and is likely to become widespread in the future.

In-ovo Sexing Technologies - Laying Hens

In-ovo Sexing in Day-Old chicks, baby chicks, incubation, hatchery, culling male chicks, poultry, hatching eggs, white chickens, brown chickens and black chickens

layinghens.hendrix-genetics.com

 

[Pasty]

Ermmm no, it wasn’t the case 30 years ago either, not here at least nor do I know anyone else who has routinely killed male calfs, indeed they were worth as much if not more 30 years ago than than today in pounds which accounting for inflation would have made them even more valuable then.
I can only wonder why you used to do it.

Of course there will allways be the odd problem calf, I had one last year, appeared normal and healthy but after a couple of days was straining.
On examination it had no anus, called the vet out to have a look, they said they could do an exploratory opp but there was no guarantee that they could do anything and if there was didn’t offer great hopes of survival so they put it to sleep with lethal injection. These sorts of things do happen from time to time but they’re hardly a part of the regular routine

Well they were on my farm. I wasn't in charge and hated it. Pick up with the tow rope dragging this poor little bugger into the back after he'd been out in the yard all night under a tarp. Maybe my dad is just a fking idiot.

 

[Pasty]

It is possible to determine the sex of an egg before it hatches. This is already available commercially, at a premium, and is likely to become widespread in the future.

In-ovo Sexing Technologies - Laying Hens

In-ovo Sexing in Day-Old chicks, baby chicks, incubation, hatchery, culling male chicks, poultry, hatching eggs, white chickens, brown chickens and black chickens

layinghens.hendrix-genetics.com

This is really needed.

 

[arcobob]

Ermmm no, it wasn’t the case 30 years ago either, not here at least nor do I know anyone else who has routinely killed male calfs, indeed they were worth as much if not more 30 years ago than than today in pounds which accounting for inflation would have made them even more valuable then.
I can only wonder why you used to do it.

Of course there will allways be the odd problem calf, I had one last year, appeared normal and healthy but after a couple of days was straining.
On examination it had no anus, called the vet out to have a look, they said they could do an exploratory opp but there was no guarantee that they could do anything and if there was didn’t offer great hopes of survival so they put it to sleep with lethal injection. These sorts of things do happen from time to time but they’re hardly a part of the regular routine

I have been out of touch with dairying for over fifty years but I assume now that all UK herds are Friesian/Holstein and practically no small breeds to produce useless bull calves. I always thought that pure Friesian bull calves made efficient meat producers although lacking in yield of prime cuts perhaps.

 

[Spudley]

I'm a dairy farmer and we rear all our bull calves. We have very few nowadays anyway because we use sexed semen on the best cows and beef on the others. In fact our milk buyer forbids us from killing bull calves, as do several others including the largest milk buyer in the UK.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I have been out of touch with dairying for over fifty years but I assume now that all UK herds are Friesian/Holstein and practically no small breeds to produce useless bull calves. I always thought that pure Friesian bull calves made efficient meat producers although lacking in yield of prime cuts perhaps.

All herds certainly aren’t Holstein/Friesian, my perception is that the breeds of dairy cows are now more diverse than ever

 

[Lowland1]

My sister has been turned vegan by her daughter. She keeps telling me about videos she’s seen about animal cruelty. She says baby male chicks are minced alive and male cows are knocked on the head in dairy herds? Is this right? I find it hard to believe?!

My daughter had about six months as a Vegan when she started University in London after a while everyone gives it up because it’s such a faff finding all the alternatives to proper food the trick is ignoring them and they come round in the end. I just sent her and her brother about half a kilo of biltong so she’s gone from meat free to eating raw meat. The farming community and press worry far too much about these people it’s a fad.Blockade Macdonald’s for too long and they’ll be civil war.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

I believe that much of the beef used by McDonalds is derived from Holstein bulls, from the UK.