- Location
- Bedfordshire
I don’t really see the link to brexit.
If you hadn’t had Johnson, you’d of had Corbyn, and bye bye to all our privileges.
Announcement Tomorrow on Banning Live Exports and More Restrictions On Domestic Journeys
- Thread starter Frank-the-Wool
- Start date
I don’t really see the link to brexit.
If you hadn’t had Johnson, you’d of had Corbyn, and bye bye to all our privileges.
it would make sense for grain to be sold to local mills
but we have a crazy situation where thats not economically best as you say is the case with livestock
we all keep saying food should be more local and consumers should support local suppliers but then we say we want to transport it miles ?
Last edited:
It’s quite simple. In the EU single market we could not ban live export. In a no deal live export would be 0% tariff. They’ve kicked the ladder from under us and are proceeding to take our trousers down.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
They haven’t banned live export. You’ve got to ask, for what reason would they try and ‘take out trousers down’ sounds like any awful lot of bitterness to me.
But even considering it when it’s the only thing that can mitigate a no deal tells you exactly where you stand.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
I thought we’re being told that we won’t have an export market in a no deal situation.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Read his post again, in case you weren’t aware. WTO tariffs (as a consequence of no deal) would be 43% on lamb carcasses. Live exports would attract a tariff of zero %.
There are two things going on - trade deal or no deal - ban live exports or don’t. There’s an overlap in that if we don’t get a trade deal the EU market may survive on live exports. Since 2014 the value of live exports has gone from £406m to £530m. So it’s not an unsubstantial trade. If we get a good enough deal banning live export isn’t as much of a problem. In a no deal there’s huge tariffs on lamb exports. So no deal and a live export ban is a double whammy. No deal and live exports is OK. A good deal and a live export ban is OK. The DEFRA secretary was on telly a couple of weeks ago talking as if live exports had already been banned. The UK are not budging on fish so the hopes of a good deal are fading. If you think a consultation is going to yield anything at all in your favour then good luck. You’re up against the Prime Minister’s Missus. I hope you’ve got good pillow talk.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Ah sorry I wasn’t aware of that, I thought it was on live aswell.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
I hope it’s not all down to his partner, I think it’s a bit media hyped. But I see what you mean now, sorry I thought the way people were talking about no deal, tariffs were on live aswell.
irish dom
Member
What about the thousands of lambs and cull ewes drew over to Ireland every week for slaughter that are strategically used to drive down factory price here? Was stuck behind 2 4 deckers packed with fat ewes from Scotland at my local plant last night. Its a practice that has served the few big players here very well over the years.
If it pays Irish men to fill lorries with ewes and bring to the mart over there more power to them but why are fat sheep so cheap in Ireland to facilitate this trade? Its absolute madness and the loser is the farmer on both sides of the Irish Sea.
so your default position is to protect Brexit and Brexiteers whatever the facts? I see.
John Chance
Member
Real animal welfare is critical. Perceived animal welfare is also important. Live exports are not something we should be fighting for. The sorts of domestic changes being discussed could be and we'll need to be nuanced in how we respond to the proposals.
- Location
- East Sussex
Absolutely correct but change the word export to transport as this is what it is all about.
The term export for animals has become an emotive subject by the animal rights lobby however from where I sit I can be to my nearest abattoir in the EU in 4 hours if travelling Dover to Calais, it can take four and a half Farmers First at Kenilworth!
The single biggest difference in the two operations is that the animals that cross a border have to be inspected by a Vet, travel on a Higher Standard Vehicle which has satellite tracking, temperature controls, feeding and watering facilities and a driver who has had to have done a practical test to obtain a qualification to transport the animals. The density of the animals is also controlled under the WATO regulations which were put in place using scientific research on the welfare of stock in transit.
no, I don’t do appeasement. The nuance is quite simple - “you’ve forced us into this”. The NFU obsession with “working closely with government” should go out the window when the government is openly hostile to farming.
the Dover-Calais crossing is shorter than many internal UK/Ireland crossings. Our PR is done by insurance and membership salesmen. This means they have an imperative to reflect back at us what’s being said by the loudest shouters and biggest subs payers.
We have the highest livestock livestock transport standards in the world. The fact of the matter is that we are having to constantly fight a battle against a vegan lobby which is intent on the elimination of the livestock industry in this country. This discussion is not about animal welfare it is about an ideology.
yes! So give no ground without a fight.
- Location
- Wiltshire
BBC website this morning says live exports to be banned. Only half way down the page does it mention a consultation.
As far as transport is concerned I am fairly sure the longest trip for cull cows here has been as TB reactors, where I have no choice of distance. Perhaps the government should take some responsibility over that.
Bg
As far as transport is concerned I am fairly sure the longest trip for cull cows here has been as TB reactors, where I have no choice of distance. Perhaps the government should take some responsibility over that.
Bg