Announcement Tomorrow on Banning Live Exports and More Restrictions On Domestic Journeys

[Highland Mule]

Agree with all of that.

Deck heights of 22cm for sheep and 30cm for beef cattle above the natural carried head height (as opposed to the shoulder as per Dutch regs) will have massive implications for 2-deck cow and 4-deck sheep trailers especially on the swan neck

Natural carried head height for a limmi stot? About 8’, I’d guess.

 

[livestock 1]

I rest my case

Which sheep movements on or off would you like to see banned next then?

 

[JP1]

Natural carried head height for a limmi stot? About 8’, I’d guess.

I hope folks realise only the fixed length compartment with individual lifting trays can even get close to these height regs. Even the most modern decker trailers and rigids may no longer comply

 

[Ysgythan]

Yes and we all know who's whispering in his ear, I'd say if Boris is looking a bit of a fumble on a cold evening he had to get this to the top of the to do list.

jesus if its that’s easy can’t we send a car full to chat him up?

 

[hally]

jesus if its that’s easy can’t we send a car full to chat him up?

What get some female young farmers to "take one for the team"?

 

[johnspeehs]

jesus if its that’s easy can’t we send a car full to chat him up?

Never under estimate the power a flash of some sexy underwear can exert.

 

[Ysgythan]

What get some female young farmers to "take one for the team"?

whatever floats his boat!

 

[puppet]

Back too the good old days again!!

We used too send lambs too a dairy farm, he always let us leave 100 small hoggs there until late May. They came back as far a pigs and always sold well. After a few years we found out off his neighbour he was using our hoggs to fill his sheep quota until retention finished!! Crafty old bugger!

Lucky to get away with it. We had an inspectiòn while having 60 hoggs away wintering. Phoned the landlord to say an inspector would be coming to count them but they had sent one at the same time to stop any jiggery-pokery.

 

[nails]

So what is the reason we need to export so many live sheep that are destined for slaughter, not breeding ? Have New Zealand not just banned a lot of live exports?
Some one said what is the difference between transporting race horses and horses destined for meat. Well you can transport Horsemeat but dead Race horses wont do a lot of racing . Bit of a difference. Same for any breeding stock. I have no issue with animals being sent just over the channel to nearby abattoirs in Europe but does not a fair proportion go on a lot further where standards are considerably lower than here?

 

[Ysgythan]

So what is the reason we need to export so many live sheep that are destined for slaughter, not breeding ? Have New Zealand not just banned a lot of live exports?
Some one said what is the difference between transporting race horses and horses destined for meat. Well you can transport Horsemeat but dead Race horses wont do a lot of racing . Bit of a difference. Same for any breeding stock. I have no issue with animals being sent just over the channel to nearby abattoirs in Europe but does not a fair proportion go on a lot further where standards are considerably lower than here?

0% tariff in a no deal

 

[livestock 1]

So what is the reason we need to export so many live sheep that are destined for slaughter, not breeding ? Have New Zealand not just banned a lot of live exports?
Some one said what is the difference between transporting race horses and horses destined for meat. Well you can transport Horsemeat but dead Race horses wont do a lot of racing . Bit of a difference. Same for any breeding stock. I have no issue with animals being sent just over the channel to nearby abattoirs in Europe but does not a fair proportion go on a lot further where standards are considerably lower than here?

They (the buyer) like to slaughter in their own country as it then can be stamped as theirs and sold as theirs. Nothing to do with what we want

 

[D14]

Tomorrow there will be an announcement of the start of an eight week consultation on Live exports and all journey times for livestock.
While this was flagged up by George "Useless" it is no surprise that another difficult issue is being put into the melting pot with our supposed leaving the EU in 4 weeks time.

However while the headlines for TV and the media will be the "banning of live exports", a review of all animal transport is to be undertaken with pressure to reduce journey times for all stock and potentially increase restrictions on travelling in adverse weather conditions. It is also being suggested that time in markets will no longer be neutral time but considered in journey time.
Live exports and livestock transport have long been a target for all animal rights organisations and there is a strong feeling that the government wishes to appease these groups and probably the PM's partner.

With the continued loss of small abattoirs and ever increasing centralisation of supermarket supply this will be an interesting consultation.
There is of course the issue of Ireland, will they also stop all those Irish ewes going to Longtown or the lambs that go the other way and are slaughtered in Southern Ireland!!

This is good because animals should not be travelling miles and miles to be slaughtered. It’s not on.

 

[Highland Mule]

This is good because animals should not be travelling miles and miles to be slaughtered. It’s not on.

What would you suggest is a sensible maximum? Bear in mind that there are islands in the UK with farms and no abattoirs, so the distance needs to be long enough for them - so at least 24 hours and 200 miles.

Of course, and in the interest of fairness, you should agree that your produce is similarly limited to only selling locally and accepting the price that comes with that.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

This is good because animals should not be travelling miles and miles to be slaughtered. It’s not on.

If you had a nearby abattoir then yes.
Or the supermarket you supply uses an abattoir that is over 300 miles away!
Or you have a closer abattoir but it happens to be in another country?

 

[Anymulewilldo]

This is good because animals should not be travelling miles and miles to be slaughtered. It’s not on.

But what about travelling miles and miles from the mountains before the winter arrives to lowland farms too feed for the winter? Animal welfare wise it seems better to have a long journey then as much grub as you can shake a stick at than staying where it’s cold and feed is limited?

 

[livestock 1]

The Irish lads bringing sheep into longtown travel no further than lambs going to slaughter from the north to South Wales.

 

[aangus]

The Irish lads bringing sheep into longtown travel no further than lambs going to slaughter from the north to South Wales.

True, but then the irish ewes then have to travel onto an abattoir

 

[livestock 1]

True, but then the irish ewes then have to travel onto an abattoir

Ok. So you didn’t answer my question the other day.
What moves would you like to se banned next?

 

[livestock 1]

True, but then the irish ewes then have to travel onto an abattoir

You may be taking the moral high ground here which is admirable
However dw sheep are often picked up on smaller wagons first then loaded onto deckers
Insistence on having sheep in dry and barred off night before
Then you check times dates on kill sheets

 

[aangus]

Ok. So you didn’t answer my question the other day.
What moves would you like to se banned next?

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