Announcement Tomorrow on Banning Live Exports and More Restrictions On Domestic Journeys

beefandsleep

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Location
Staffordshire
Personally I think a customs border between Eire and NI is more of a threat to the U.K. economy than the EU as it will be a leaky sieve. Goods will flood into the rest of the U.K. with no further customs checks. At least with customs checks at ports that is much less likely to happen.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
so whats going to prevent lambs being sent to NI from the uk , then moved south across the border then shipped to northern france / belgium , so a massive sea journey compared to dover -calais ?
If export is going to be banned then they can't go from NI to the south
 

Pata

Member
Well it’s no secret that some of our neighbours don’t like buying our lamb.
If it’s slaughtered in the country of destination then it’s not classed as British
There’s a lack of understanding on here how things work which is very worrying
There we have the problem. If it IS British and it should be sold to the consumer as British and also the place of slaughter should be shown.
 

Pata

Member
They (the buyer) like to slaughter in their own country as it then can be stamped as theirs and sold as theirs. Nothing to do with what we want
If that's the case we need to let the end consumer know they are eating British lamb. Why would we want other countries to call it their own? Seems short sighted to me.
 
If that's the case we need to let the end consumer know they are eating British lamb. Why would we want other countries to call it their own? Seems short sighted to me.
You obviously have no idea who you are dealing with.
You have totally missed the point of what I said this morning
 
I think this rather strengthens the point, Irish or Polish, it’s all foreign product to us, Brexit will make it much harder for Goodman et al to manipulate our trade.

Uncle Larry will find away around any trade problems and always comes out on top. How much of the English slaughter trade does ABP control now.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I presume live exports will still be allowed into NI anyway , Im sure some entrepreneurs will move them south of the border live tariff or no tariff ,Nothing to stop some going around lands end and up the channel , have you got any animal rights around cork ?

As it stands at the moment, live sheep travelling from the mainland to NI from Jan 1st, will essentially have to be under the same regs as our current exports from GB to Eire. They will have to be either from a Mv accredited flock/tested negative at 12 months old (as is the case now I understand), but also either come from Scrapie Monitored (for >7 yrs) flocks, or be tested ARR/ARR for scrapie genotype. Entire males will also have to be tested negative for Brucella Ovis within 30 days prior to movement.

If those animals travel from flocks that aren’t Mv accredited & scrapie monitored, that will add at least £20/hd onto the costs (or £60/hd for entire males), in addition to vet certification costs.

That’s a huge extra cost, even in the unlikely event that many sheep would satisfy those scrapie requirements. It would probably be cheaper to pay the 43% tariff to export directly & legally I suspect.
 

Frank-the-Wool

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
As it stands at the moment, live sheep travelling from the mainland to NI from Jan 1st, will essentially have to be under the same regs as our current exports from GB to Eire. They will have to be either from a Mv accredited flock/tested negative at 12 months old (as is the case now I understand), but also either come from Scrapie Monitored (for >7 yrs) flocks, or be tested ARR/ARR for scrapie genotype. Entire males will also have to be tested negative for Brucella Ovis within 30 days prior to movement.

If those animals travel from flocks that aren’t Mv accredited & scrapie monitored, that will add at least £20/hd onto the costs (or £60/hd for entire males), in addition to vet certification costs.

That’s a huge extra cost, even in the unlikely event that many sheep would satisfy those scrapie requirements. It would probably be cheaper to pay the 43% tariff to export directly & legally I suspect.

This is the interesting conundrum.
Northern Ireland as far as the government is concerned is still part of the UK, the small detail that they will still abide by EU rules seems to be a minor issue.
The "new" regulations where I started this thread say there will be no Live export without exception! However movements to N Ireland won.t be an export as it is still part of the UK.
Scotland however is not going to be part of the new regulations so they will be able to carry on as before.
So will there be a customs point on Hadrians Wall.

Now if the sheep go to N Ireland and then travel South they will have to change their ear tags to GB ones or will they as N Ireland is still part of the EU.

Now that is all perfectly clear and understandable then. Roll on Brexit!!
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
This is the interesting conundrum.
Northern Ireland as far as the government is concerned is still part of the UK, the small detail that they will still abide by EU rules seems to be a minor issue.
The "new" regulations where I started this thread say there will be no Live export without exception! However movements to N Ireland won.t be an export as it is still part of the UK.
Scotland however is not going to be part of the new regulations so they will be able to carry on as before.
So will there be a customs point on Hadrians Wall.

Now if the sheep go to N Ireland and then travel South they will have to change their ear tags to GB ones or will they as N Ireland is still part of the EU.

Now that is all perfectly clear and understandable then. Roll on Brexit!!

Shearwells going to be busy !
 

irish dom

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When writing this remember how long we have had to put up with your beef and the impact of it on our prices
Point taken but remember Irish beef is always way behind british price. And also remember that britain has historically needed Irish beef to feed your vast population. Also remember that the british stole our beef and grain during the the famine while people died in their millions so off that high horse my friend.
 

irish dom

Member
True. It has come here for years though never mind moaning about our lamb. And the Pezzoali crew that fetch a load of cattle over here then take a load of hay or straw back with them subbed by the Irish government and haulage paid for by their government.
All this while I’m defending them bringing their ewes here
Love to know where you get your facts and figures. Dlring the spring of 2013 there was a fodder crisis in Ireland due to disastrous weather conditions. There was a sub given to haulage companies to draw in mostly poor quality hay and straw from England. The farmer then paid extortionate prices for this emergency fodder to save their stock. It was tough going for lots of families watching their stock just about make it. I hope you never find yourself in such a predicament but i wouldn't hesitate to help you out not throw it back at you years later. Your arrogance astounds me and i hope it is not a fair representation of what British farmers think of their neighbours
 
Point taken but remember Irish beef is always way behind british price. And also remember that britain has historically needed Irish beef to feed your vast population. Also remember that the british stole our beef and grain during the the famine while people died in their millions so off that high horse my friend.
You are going back too far for me. You have had to dig that one out mind!
 
Love to know where you get your facts and figures. Dlring the spring of 2013 there was a fodder crisis in Ireland due to disastrous weather conditions. There was a sub given to haulage companies to draw in mostly poor quality hay and straw from England. The farmer then paid extortionate prices for this emergency fodder to save their stock. It was tough going for lots of families watching their stock just about make it. I hope you never find yourself in such a predicament but i wouldn't hesitate to help you out not throw it back at you years later. Your arrogance astounds me and i hope it is not a fair representation of what British farmers think of their neighbours
That must be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on here.
The lowest land I farm is 1000ft up to over 2500ft we have some of the highest rainfall and poorest land and a lot of it to cover. Considering the land is wet in a good year and cutting ground is in the minority how do you think we faired that year? How do you think we felt having to bid against your subbed forage and subbed haulage for what we needed? How do you think we felt that you were keeping stock on a head age basis getting paid for stuff you couldn’t carry? Then after all that sending your beef here at the end of it all?
Everyone has a brain using it is a different matter. Try putting it into gear before you write such shyte
 

irish dom

Member
You are going back too far for me. You have had to dig that one out mind!
That stuff stays fresh in Irish hearts and minds. Remember that the problem with the border in Ireland was caused by the British stealing the country persecuting its people and not handing it all back causing a bitter civil war and misery and hardship for millions of people. Its simple history that people over the water refuse to acknowledge. If it hadnt have happened wouldn't Brexit be a cake walk.
 
That stuff stays fresh in Irish hearts and minds. Remember that the problem with the border in Ireland was caused by the British stealing the country persecuting its people and not handing it all back causing a bitter civil war and misery and hardship for millions of people. Its simple history that people over the water refuse to acknowledge. If it hadnt have happened wouldn't Brexit be a cake walk.
How old are you 206?
 
That stuff stays fresh in Irish hearts and minds. Remember that the problem with the border in Ireland was caused by the British stealing the country persecuting its people and not handing it all back causing a bitter civil war and misery and hardship for millions of people. Its simple history that people over the water refuse to acknowledge. If it hadnt have happened wouldn't Brexit be a cake walk.
Ok keep your bloody ewes then
 

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