Me thinks you should get the teacher to watch Harry’s farm on you tube he put his argument across very wellMy 8yr old Child1 came home from school today and I asked him what he’d been doing at school (an otherwise excellent country primary).
“Science”
What about?
“Global warming”
Hmmmm.....
“Did you know that since xxxx the planet has warmed up xxx on a graph, and did you know that methane causes global warming, and did you know that cows produce xxx tons of methane in their lifetime?”
Hmmmm
Let’s face it, that’s the story that’s everywhere these days (everyone from David Attenborough downwards is saying we should eat less meat to save the planet) it would hardly be a surprise if it is on the syllabus.
So, before I make aof myself storming on down there, what would be the best, most credible sources of information (preferably peer reviewed stuff rather than Facebook infomatics) to counter the MEAT =BAD FOR CLIMATE agenda?
(I should add that this is on the back of some heavily biased homework sheets Child1 came home with a couple of months ago, which had clearly been written from an animal -rightsy point of view- I suspect a veggie/vegany teacher pedalling their views in an otherwise excellent school.)
Annoyed at school.
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I would have thought that whilst you could not discriminate against someone for their dietary choices, you might reasonably expect an Animal Production lecturer to have some experience of animal production, which rather precludes them from getting that position (as opposed to the veganism).
Yours,
A Lecturer (who's modules include "Animal Production" (for veterinary students).
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Nah, that seems a perfectly reasonable discussion to me.
You might well argue that fish have bony mouths which lack nerves and often eat very spiky prey items, so the two things are not comparable.......
toquark
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The educational system like the rest of the civil service, suffers chronic group think and fosters a culture where only those who think the “right” way progress. It’s been going on for decades but the effects are coming home to roost.
The only way to counter it is to resist, go in armed with facts and figures and demand change. If you can pull more like minded parents together to challenge it. Letting it slide will not make it go away. Good luck.
The only way to counter it is to resist, go in armed with facts and figures and demand change. If you can pull more like minded parents together to challenge it. Letting it slide will not make it go away. Good luck.
I remember reading an article back in June/July last year where it stated that, due to the lockdowns reducing the number of aeroplanes flyingMy 8yr old Child1 came home from school today and I asked him what he’d been doing at school (an otherwise excellent country primary).
“Science”
What about?
“Global warming”
Hmmmm.....
“Did you know that since xxxx the planet has warmed up xxx on a graph, and did you know that methane causes global warming, and did you know that cows produce xxx tons of methane in their lifetime?”
Hmmmm
Let’s face it, that’s the story that’s everywhere these days (everyone from David Attenborough downwards is saying we should eat less meat to save the planet) it would hardly be a surprise if it is on the syllabus.
So, before I make a
(I should add that this is on the back of some heavily biased homework sheets Child1 came home with a couple of months ago, which had clearly been written from an animal -rightsy point of view- I suspect a veggie/vegany teacher pedalling their views in an otherwise excellent school.)
around the world, that air pollution was reduced by 30% in some areas. Of course, nobody wants to make a fact of the obvious that the best way to reduce air pollution, is to cut down on the number of foreign holidays that people take.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
interesting article about Soya use
sustainablefoodtrust.org
Are dairy cows and livestock behind the growth of soya in South America? | Sustainable Food Trust
Soya fed to dairy cows contributes to the destruction of rainforests, however grass-fed dairy offers a more sustainable alternative
sustainablefoodtrust.org
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- Ledbury, Herefordshire
I think it's more that teachers represent the majority of the population, insomuch as they know very little about farming and the countryside. Last time I looked, ag employed less than 3% of people. Simply living in the countryside means nothing, people move to the countryside all the time and fail to engage with food production. I, myself moved to rural Hampshire from Salford (greater Manchester) when I was 11ish - the only difference being my "Auntie" (not related - I think it's a northern thing) had married a farmer near Keswick, so I got to play there during summer holidays. I then had a mate at school who was from a farming family and I used to hang out on his farm loads (we are still mates, I went to his stag do a few years back) and I blame him almost entirely for my idiotic decision to buy a load of sheep.....
Were it not for this, I doubt my parents would know that much about farming. I went back to Salford not long after I'd bought my sheep and upon telling my step cousin that I was a shepherd, he expressed surprise that shepherds "still existed".
Ag needs to engage these people and currently we have a disparity which can be summed up thus:
Farmers: "The British public should back British farmers 100%!"
Also Farmers: "The British public are utter scumbags and should stay in the town and never, ever darken the countryside with their presence"....
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- Shropshire
My experience was one of being fobbed off when i challenged the school over email and phone but when i went in face to face in an organised meeting and put the facts down in black and white from proper sources to back up my position, they were obliged to actually study the figures and real data so were quite astounded at the blatant bending of the truth that is being pushed almost everywhere.
If you don't sit down with the teacher and head hopefully then yes they will look at the info you supply but wont study and absorb it ( a bit difficult at the moment though)
toquark
Member
This is it, the teachers are not bad people, most of them won't be ideologically opposed to meat consumption etc., they've just been told its bad. The more insidious aspect is that this kind of stuff is being inserted into the curriculum and delivered regardless of who the teacher is. The culture change needs to happen from the top down.
Paddington
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- Soggy Shropshire
We were told in school that owing to the earth cooling down there would be an ice age in several thousand years time, where most of mankind would be wiped out. I can't remember anyone writing to their MP or protest marches, or girls with pigtails saying it wasn't fair.
Donkey Oaty
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Blaming cows and fossil fuels for global warming is the easy argument. The elephant in the room is human population growth. In just over 200 years, the planet's population has expanded from 1Billion to 7.8 Billion and continues to increase at 80 million extra people a year.
We all breathe and exhale CO2 and we all need to eat and demand a share of natural resources.
Population growth is the basic driver behind global warming.
So which politician, media personality or scientist is going to put their hand up and say we need to do something about it?
Anyone??
No.. It's easier to blame the cows and makes better TV documentaries.
We all breathe and exhale CO2 and we all need to eat and demand a share of natural resources.
Population growth is the basic driver behind global warming.
So which politician, media personality or scientist is going to put their hand up and say we need to do something about it?
Anyone??
No.. It's easier to blame the cows and makes better TV documentaries.
Vincent
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- Kildare Ireland
All that shite is easy to say as you type on your I phone. To have zero environmental effect you need to be a cave man. Every one leaves a foot print on this earth.
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- Essex
Can't like this enough. What you are saying is that more and better education is needed. Couldn't agree moreI think it's more that teachers represent the majority of the population, insomuch as they know very little about farming and the countryside. Last time I looked, ag employed less than 3% of people. Simply living in the countryside means nothing, people move to the countryside all the time and fail to engage with food production. I, myself moved to rural Hampshire from Salford (greater Manchester) when I was 11ish - the only difference being my "Auntie" (not related - I think it's a northern thing) had married a farmer near Keswick, so I got to play there during summer holidays. I then had a mate at school who was from a farming family and I used to hang out on his farm loads (we are still mates, I went to his stag do a few years back) and I blame him almost entirely for my idiotic decision to buy a load of sheep.....
Were it not for this, I doubt my parents would know that much about farming. I went back to Salford not long after I'd bought my sheep and upon telling my step cousin that I was a shepherd, he expressed surprise that shepherds "still existed".
Ag needs to engage these people and currently we have a disparity which can be summed up thus:
Farmers: "The British public should back British farmers 100%!"
Also Farmers: "The British public are utter scumbags and should stay in the town and never, ever darken the countryside with their presence"....
Great poster BUT, a wee bit too American... WTH, haven't we got an indigenous version????
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- North Wales
It's easy to kill off cows but you can't kill of humans, just look at covid 19, everyone must be saved.
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- Essex
Quite. Cows do not increase carbon emissions, they recycle atmospheric carbon, some of which is the result of burning fossil fuels.
Grandad Pig
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I think the point is to spark a debate/discussion. Not here, but with the students. get them thinking and confronting the issues.
Nothing wrong with that
warksfarmer
Member
My 8yr old Child1 came home from school today and I asked him what he’d been doing at school (an otherwise excellent country primary).
“Science”
What about?
“Global warming”
Hmmmm.....
“Did you know that since xxxx the planet has warmed up xxx on a graph, and did you know that methane causes global warming, and did you know that cows produce xxx tons of methane in their lifetime?”
Hmmmm
Let’s face it, that’s the story that’s everywhere these days (everyone from David Attenborough downwards is saying we should eat less meat to save the planet) it would hardly be a surprise if it is on the syllabus.
So, before I make a
(I should add that this is on the back of some heavily biased homework sheets Child1 came home with a couple of months ago, which had clearly been written from an animal -rightsy point of view- I suspect a veggie/vegany teacher pedalling their views in an otherwise excellent school.)
My children know that what their respective schools tell them about this issue, is wrong. Just sit yours down and explain the truth. I won’t tolerate any Virtue signalling snowflake woke taliban libtard views imposed on young minds.
Emmm... How much soya gets fed to cattle?
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- East Sussex
Only as a by product because of processing for human food. I think 60% of UK imports of soya products are directly for human use (not through an animal). Glad to be corrected if I'm wrong though.
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Are dairy cows and livestock behind the growth of soya in South America? | Sustainable Food Trust
Soya fed to dairy cows contributes to the destruction of rainforests, however grass-fed dairy offers a more sustainable alternative
sustainablefoodtrust.org
Not quite right. See the link posted above.... near the top states 45% Human, 35% animal, 18% non food. The fact the by product is useful for animals merely makes it more profitable to destroy the rain forest for human food production. It's all about the angle of attack
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