Another BBC article Biased against farming.

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
You can criticise my point of view/opinions all you like. That is the point of forums really. Personal attacks however, aren't really tolerated on the bulk of them.
Well don't make it personal then, don't narrow it down, lets talk about everyone that gets government money and/or services shall we ? Does that sound fair
Now who was it you said you get your money and services form again? Seeing as we are nor making it personal and including everyone
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Anyway enough of this fun, I am off to cut some more unsuspecting hedges and hopefully pick up some money for doing so if I can wrangle it
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
But anybody who thinks that the changes will cut off the supply of taxpayer money to aristos is mistaken. They will pile in to all these Mickey Mouse enviro wheezes and draw down as much if not more than they did before all covered by a lovely moral veneer of “environmentalism”, beyond reproach by the ordinary pleb who is paying for it. Who do you think designs these schemes? Mostly folk who are or who are related to dukes and duchesses with big estates to run.
 
I actually find it refreshing to consider a future without the same old same old draw down of subsidies. Focusses the mind. Builds self reliance. Get rid of all the dross in my business that wouldn’t be possible without subsidy. Concentrate on what really pays. I’m content with it.

I have met people with that kind of outlook in the past. They explained how they would change things and some believed that the changes made would actually create opportunities for them. One guy, a beef farmer, owned a bit of land himself but said the main constraint on his business was the availability of land. He pointed with an outstretched hand at an endless 'sea' of spring barley nearby and reckoned that if subsidies went, it was possible more of that would come up for rent and he would be in a position to have a crack at it (for growing grass and rearing beef off it). I didn't press him to show me his workings on the economics of that but I was kind of inspired by his confidence. Probably be better to see the chalk downlands under a bit more grass as well from an environment standpoint? I don't know for sure but a bit of low intensity beef grazing struck me as a lot less intrusive than what was afoot presently. He seemed to envisage beef becoming a premium product with plenty of environmental and welfare credentials rather than what he described as 'mass-market carp'.
 

lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
how do you claim subsidies if you don't own land ?

if you rent land you are simply claiming it for the landowner and passing it on in the form of higher rent

Farmers are not subsidied - landowners are

I would look at it differently as in some large land owners were happy
to rent land out cheaply as long as they had the subsidy ,where as they
will be looking to increase rents and add value once the subsidies are removed.
Dont be surprised if alot of CFA s are terminated as there will be better paying alternatives.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
You can criticise my point of view/opinions all you like. That is the point of forums really. Personal attacks however, aren't really tolerated on the bulk of them.
You constantly attack the bulk of hardworking farmers on this forum, mostly small family businesses. The relevant word being 'family'. You attack their farming methods and you attack their income streams, their very existence. That is just as personal, more so in fact, as us asking you where YOU derive your income, to which question there has been a great big silence. I wonder why?
 
But anybody who thinks that the changes will cut off the supply of taxpayer money to aristos is mistaken. They will pile in to all these Mickey Mouse enviro wheezes and draw down as much if not more than they did before all covered by a lovely moral veneer of “environmentalism”, beyond reproach by the ordinary pleb who is paying for it. Who do you think designs these schemes? Mostly folk who are or who are related to dukes and duchesses with big estates to run.

If the government/taxpayer believe that tax payer money is justifiably spent on environmental schemes, that is quite another proposition and I do not oppose that on principle. Obviously the details will depend on the nature of the landscape it fits within and what habitat or the like it is aimed at creating. A certain amount of public money is already spent on countryside stuff of course.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I would look at it differently as in some large land owners were happy
to rent land out cheaply as long as they had the subsidy ,where as they
will be looking to increase rents and add value once the subsidies are removed.
Dont be suprised if alot of CFA s are terminated as there will be better paying alternatives.

alternatives will still need someone to facilitate, i don’t really cate if im a “farmer” or “land manager” - in fact land management seems a lot lower risk !

Sadly i don’t think we are going to loose the dole cheque - its just going to be reduced and called something different
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
I would look at it differently as in some large land owners were happy
to rent land out cheaply as long as they had the subsidy ,where as they
will be looking to increase rents and add value once the subsidies are removed.
Dont be surprised if alot of CFA s are terminated as there will be better paying alternatives.
Is there going to be enough money for everyone to claim £500/ha + enviro schemes?
 
You constantly attack the bulk of hardworking farmers on this forum, mostly small family businesses. The relevant word being 'family'. You attack their farming methods and you attack their income streams, their very existence. That is just as personal, more so in fact, as us asking you where YOU derive your income, to which question there has been a great big silence. I wonder why?

I've not attacked family farms that I am aware of. What is this, fabricate what you want and then come at me personally?

Why the fudge should I divulge anything personal about me? You want my inner leg length and blood group as well? Do you see me asking for people's business names so I can look up what subsidies they receive? Details of how much tax they pay each year, etc etc? No, because it's not my business and frankly I don't care -it doesn't interest me in the slightest.

You need to take a step back from this place mate, you try to domineer this place a lot and refuse to acknowledge anyone else's point of view. Here you are taking my comments personally yet at no point have I aimed anything at you personally. Such behaviour is toxic to an online community in the long run and one reason why I don't engage in it.
 

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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