Another BBC hatchet job?

[Danllan]

He isn’t whiter than white (pardon the pun)

Isle of Wight Zoo’s Covid Appeal

BY NIGEL BEAN As our regular readers will be well aware, the Editor of this magazine and I are in the middle of a legal dispute with the BBC’s Chris Packham and his charity the Wildheart Trus…

countrysquire.co.uk

Well, it's a bit hyperbolic itself, but if its 'facts' are all correct, that's CP somewhat nailed.

 

[Muddyroads]

Well, it's a bit hyperbolic itself, but if its 'facts' are all correct, that's CP somewhat nailed.

We can only hope…

 

[Danllan]

We can only hope…

The thing is, in his capacity as a scientist, I rather like Chris Packham, he really knows his stuff and can put it across very well. But when he strays into politics, he's just a c*ck with a funny voice.

 

[Muddyroads]

The thing is, in his capacity as a scientist, I rather like Chris Packham, he really knows his stuff and can put it across very well. But when he strays into politics, he's just a c*ck with a funny voice.

It’s a modern day curse. I like Brian May but only when he’s behind a guitar!

 

[puntabrava]

Forms part of the 6 o’clock news …. Cow abuse in Wales apparently

Makes a change from sheep I suppose

 

[topground]

The thing is, in his capacity as a scientist, I rather like Chris Packham, he really knows his stuff and can put it across very well. But when he strays into politics, he's just a c*ck with a funny voice.

Local beekeeper had experience of Packham when the BBC did a two part programme at Yeo Valley. Apparently Packham knew nothing about honey bees but read stuff of the internet then regurgitated it in front of camera.
Same as Saint David Attenborough, good at reading a script. If you recall according to Packham on Springwatch; horses are ruminants. Someone wanted to prove my point and gave him a script with something obviously wrong but he doesn’t know enough basic information not to pronounce on national television absolute nonsense.
He found Packham to be an arrogant unpleasant individual but we all knew that anyway.

 

[Danllan]

Local beekeeper had experience of Packham when the BBC did a two part programme at Yeo Valley. Apparently Packham knew nothing about honey bees but read stuff of the internet then regurgitated it in front of camera.
Same as Saint David Attenborough, good at reading a script. If you recall according to Packham on Springwatch; horses are ruminants. Someone wanted to prove my point and gave him a script with something obviously wrong but he doesn’t know enough basic information not to pronounce on national television absolute nonsense.
He found Packham to be an arrogant unpleasant individual but we all knew that anyway.

Hmm... not a side I've seen, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[warksfarmer]

Does anyone still pay their tv licence

Nope. Not paid it for years. I’m not watching left wing bilge

 

[Red Fred]

Local beekeeper had experience of Packham when the BBC did a two part programme at Yeo Valley. Apparently Packham knew nothing about honey bees but read stuff of the internet then regurgitated it in front of camera.
Same as Saint David Attenborough, good at reading a script. If you recall according to Packham on Springwatch; horses are ruminants. Someone wanted to prove my point and gave him a script with something obviously wrong but he doesn’t know enough basic information not to pronounce on national television absolute nonsense.
He found Packham to be an arrogant unpleasant individual but we all knew that anyway.

Our village nimbys have a campaign going against a housing development and to say that they have twisted the truth is something of an understatement. They got Packham to film a video for them and the whole effort is riddled with emotional nonsense and basic mistakes, written by the campaigners. He describes the site as being meadow and in the flood plain when it is an old brown field quarry site several feet higher than where I'm sitting in my kitchen, but it doesn't seem to matter. From the comments, everyone takes it in because Chris can do no wrong. He has played the same trick with the recent discovery of two dead birds-of-prey locally (insinuating it was landowners or livestock farmers with no evidence whatsoever) and also with the burnt out car story the other day when he turned the story to his advantage when the reality was completely at odds with his narrative. The sooner he gets his comeuppance the better.

 

[farmideas]

It's a must watch. How else will you know whether they are making stuff up or not?

I don't suppose anyone will point out that welfare is related to staffing levels which in turn are related to the value of milk sold.

Agree 'must watch'. Such selective filming
* not all dairy cows are good mothers - many are quite okay with the calf being taken away.
* the vast majority of farmers look after downers as well as they can and many don't use hip hoists having all kinds of other methods including filling tanks with warm water.
* the once a day Ethical Dairy with 120 cows makes high priced speciality cheese and retails milk - something only a few dairy farmers can do. It's not a solution for the industry.
* their boast of having older cows can be matched by many regular 2x milking herds selling for 34p/l.
However, farmers are not perfect. Some spend too much time in the office working at figures and pass responsibility onto staff who don't have the training or ambition to get it right. The farmer or trained herdsman should be supervising the downer cow. Tying her on a buck rake is an alternative.
What they showed was not the industry, but a distorted view of some bad practice. Over the 30 years of doing www.farmideas.co.uk I have never come across any farmer who would treat their cows as shown by the BBC, and having had a dairy herd for 25 years I know the job.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Ultimately it's all down to getting enough for the milk to be able to do the job properly. Pick the bones out of that.

 

[Jrp221]

The thing is, in his capacity as a scientist, I rather like Chris Packham, he really knows his stuff and can put it across very well. But when he strays into politics, he's just a c*ck with a funny voice.

In fairness, he has a degree in Zoology, he is no more a scientist than I am (I have a degree in Conservation Biology and Ecology) and work at a Russell group uni in the Biosciences and I certainly couldn't class myself as a scientist.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I would class him as a biologist. He seems pretty knowledgeable to me and loves his subject by the look of him.

 

[Farfrae]

The details of the farm etc. and the undercover footage used are all in the public domain now.

Extreme Violence and Neglect on Dairy Farm | Animal Equality UK

Investigation uncovers cruelty to cows on a Welsh dairy farm linked to suppliers of Costa, Londis and British Airways.

animalequality.org.uk

 

[Danllan]

Companies House has both the directors aged about 55..

That doesn't give the full story, just what has been registered, not why...

 

[Danllan]

The details of the farm etc. and the undercover footage used are all in the public domain now.

Extreme Violence and Neglect on Dairy Farm | Animal Equality UK

Investigation uncovers cruelty to cows on a Welsh dairy farm linked to suppliers of Costa, Londis and British Airways.

animalequality.org.uk

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Companies House has both the directors aged about 55..

See bottom...

That doesn't give the full story, just what has been registered, not why...

Apologies all, my bad.

I do know this farm and it is neighbouring a friend, but what I wrote is about the neighbours on the other side of him. Apologies again for my stupid mistake, I have deleted my post.

 

[Danllan]

I will delete mine, in case you wish to tidy up.

No worries, gone so no matter - just a stupid mistake on my part conflating the two places.

 

[7610 super q]

Would you not be suspicious of a colleague that sort of hovers from a distance in the background, whilst others carry on their work ?. I'm sure cameras can be well hidden these days.....but all the same....

 

[topground]

Would you not be suspicious of a colleague that sort of hovers from a distance in the background, whilst others carry on their work ?. I'm sure cameras can be well hidden these days.....but all the same....

Likely a set up and those employees involved would have pocketed their incentive to act in this fashion in front of the camera to fuel whatever habit they might have and disappeared . The TV production company have their footage, a sensational story and the farmer will be picking up the pieces and wondering what to do with a load of cows in milk and no buyer. A welfare problem on a much larger scale particulalry if he is under Tb restrictions.
I hope someone is looking after his mental health because the pressure he must be under will be immense.

 

[Northern territory]

Likely a set up and those employees involved would have pocketed their incentive to act in this fashion in front of the camera to fuel whatever habit they might have and disappeared . The TV production company have their footage, a sensational story and the farmer will be picking up the pieces and wondering what to do with a load of cows in milk and no buyer. A welfare problem on a much larger scale particulalry if he is under Tb restrictions.
I hope someone is looking after his mental health because the pressure he must be under will be immense.

This situation reminds me a bit of that guy who cleaned his river out. The masters of this forum were queuing up to lambast the fella involved when all along he had the correct permissions and it was totally legit. Obviously this is animals involved and doesn’t look good but I don’t like this direction of journalism.