Another farmer co-op goes under

[ajd132]

I am pretty sure most of Lee's does, and I know all of my little bit does. We just give a grain trader a small cut for organising it.

You can supply vendor assured milling wheat straight into a mill on a strict roll of trucks on the dot?

 

[Baling Hay]

And what about 500 farmers working togethor? Loads of successful co-ops over seas.

Recipe for disaster!

 

[ajd132]

No wonder this industry is doomed. Joined up thinking, shortening supply chains, working with processors????

 

[Renaultman]

And what about 500 farmers working togethor? Loads of successful co-ops over seas.

You can supply vendor assured milling wheat straight into a mill on a strict roll of trucks on the dot?

Having done the delivery side for a lot of years I would say, that I could deliver it far more efficiently than the mills can process it.
I do take your point on 500 or even 50 or 5 farmers working together should be a good thing.
My point is that most product that leaves a proper long term farm store will go exactly where the customer wants it, be that holding store, final destination or port.
It would be great to set up to harmonise grain specs paying an additional premium for above spec stuff and using it to bring poorer grain up to spec but I would think you would be talking a limited tonnage.

 

[Chae1]

No wonder this industry is doomed. Joined up thinking, shortening supply chains, working with processors????

It makes sense. Sure all of those that signed up to Angus cereals thought the same

But why doesn't it work?

 

[Brisel]

And what about 500 farmers working togethor? Loads of successful co-ops over seas.

Several of whom own a decent percentage of our supply chain. They get the dividends, we don't.

 

[Renaultman]

@Clive could you do a quick poll on how many members farm processed (Ie any not sent to central store, in whatever guise at harvest) grain goes direct to end user please? I may be confused but I would say a high percentage of it.

 

[Brisel]

It makes sense. Sure all of those that signed up to Angus cereals thought the same

But why doesn't it work?

Wrong people not always telling the truth. As I've said earlier, little comment is passed about merchants going bust unless they've taken a few farmers with them.

 

[ajd132]

@Clive could you do a quick poll on how many members farm processed (Ie any not sent to central store, in whatever guise at harvest) grain goes direct to end user please? I may be confused but I would say a high percentage of it.

I meant blended exact spec as required.

 

[Brisel]

@Clive could you do a quick poll on how many members farm processed (Ie any not sent to central store, in whatever guise at harvest) grain goes direct to end user please? I may be confused but I would say a high percentage of it.

Nothing to stop you starting your own thread with a poll. Give some thought how you'd phrase the questions. What is an end user? For my malting barley it's a lager lout p*ssing the Heineken into a urinal in Whetherspoons but I load lorries for a malting who will sell it to a brewer who will sell it to a wholesaler who will sell it to a retailer who will sell it to a retailer.

 

[Brisel]

I meant blended exact spec as required.

Hard one. I'm usually sending over spec crop out. Some years, it's under spec & I'll have claims on 5-40%.

 

[ajd132]

Having done the delivery side for a lot of years I would say, that I could deliver it far more efficiently than the mills can process it.
I do take your point on 500 or even 50 or 5 farmers working together should be a good thing.
My point is that most product that leaves a proper long term farm store will go exactly where the customer wants it, be that holding store, final destination or port.
It would be great to set up to harmonise grain specs paying an additional premium for above spec stuff and using it to bring poorer grain up to spec but I would think you would be talking a limited tonnage.

Yep get you're point totally. I'm just interested in more joined up thinking throughout the whole supply chain. And obviously Lee basically saying anyone who doesn't do exactly as him is a moron/idiot (he also called a load of people idiots on a Facebook drilling site yesterday....)!

 

[ajd132]

Nothing to stop you starting your own thread with a poll. Give some thought how you'd phrase the questions. What is an end user? For my malting barley it's a lager lout p*ssing the Heineken into a urinal in Whetherspoons but I load lorries for a malting who will sell it to a brewer who will sell it to a wholesaler who will sell it to a retailer who will sell it to a retailer.

Obviously the wording of my post was not correct. But I hope you got what I meant. I didn't mean give wheat to a bloke sitting in greggs waiting for some hideous amalgamation of pastry and dog meat!

 

[Renaultman]

Several of whom own a decent percentage of our supply chain. They get the dividends, we don't.

Although I am a firm beli

Nothing to stop you starting your own thread with a poll. Give some thought how you'd phrase the questions. What is an end user? For my malting barley it's a lager lout p*ssing the Heineken into a urinal in Whetherspoons but I load lorries for a malting who will sell it to a brewer who will sell it to a wholesaler who will sell it to a retailer who will sell it to a retailer.

I am the end user if it's made into beer

 

[ajd132]

Yep get you're point totally. I'm just interested in more joined up thinking throughout the whole supply chain. And obviously Lee basically saying anyone who doesn't do exactly as him is a moron/idiot (he also called a load of people idiots on a Facebook drilling site yesterday....)!

Edit he called them mad

 

[Renaultman]

Hard one. I'm usually sending over spec crop out. Some years, it's under spec & I'll have claims on 5-40%.

Exactly mills will blend as it goes in, in fact a hell of a lot of foreign wheat is often used to raise specs. It's a bugger when you get a claim one day when the previous 20 were over spec but even the best Central stores won't get every load to pass.

 

[Brisel]

Exactly mills will blend as it goes in, in fact a hell of a lot of foreign wheat is often used to raise specs. It's a bugger when you get a claim one day when the previous 20 were over spec but even the best Central stores won't get every load to pass.

I'll bet they get a lot less claims than us farmers - every load will be sampled and tested before it goes to make sure it's on spec. Very few farms will do that. Some might fill a bag off the face of the heap after the lorry has gone just in case or to please the RT inspector.

 

[Brisel]

Obviously the wording of my post was not correct. But I hope you got what I meant. I didn't mean give wheat to a bloke sitting in greggs waiting for some hideous amalgamation of pastry and dog meat!

Thought so. Just me being thick/stupid/silly/a moron/idiot & wanting clarification.

 

[Grain Buyer]

I can't think of a single co-op store that doesn't have a marketing agreement with a merchant, who then takes a chunky "marketing fee". Some of these co-ops have managers that could easily do the job. Case in point, Angus Cereals, who appointed Openfield as their marketing agent.

 

[Brisel]

Wessex did theirs in house until selling out to Cefetra.

What % of CS users use the store pool? What do CS members get charged for doing their own marketing @Woldgrain Storage @ajd132 ?