Another nail in to the coffin of UK agriculture?

DaveGrohl

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Location
Cumbria
Then add on Boris s build build policy, it will join up the rest.
I Think this map should be used as weapon against all of this anti farming agenda. WE NEED TO STOP APOLOGISING AND GO INTO ATTACK MODE. What is causing more pollution in uk ,Development or producing the most important building block of life food.
Even when you are in the dark bits like mine, the area is being urbanised ,cleansed of native community. Classic example a neighbouring farm ,bought by a London man, converted all buildings with all waste being pumped to nearest brook. Whats reducing water quality in that brook not my farming, I am keeping that one back for now, always handy to have something to protect yourself with if the need arises,
Agreed. I find pollution to be far more of a threat that we can actually do something about than the great God climate change. The vegan propaganda machine is all about attacking the people who live and breath with nature so that those who don't can carry on regardless. What a time to be alive.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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NFFN Member
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Cb97ej
I don't think my point was in the article.

The buried Carbon from the surface will sequester whereas the surface Carbon MIGHT sequester a bit if worms take it.

Really from all these so called Science you rely on the "Scientist" being honest and professional .. unfortunately in my experience of humans at least 50% are not professional, honesty can be sold quite easily.
Exposing freshly turned up soil to the air is what loses all the carbon through oxidisation. Stuff left on the surface protects the soil and feeds the biology in the way it has evolved.
 

robs1

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In my area the town has two large housing estates going up at the moment with another 3 planned. If this doesn't affect bio-diversity I don't know what does.
That of course is true but we have a housing shortage how fo you suggest we square that circle ? Yes there are some previously developed sites that can be used but nowhere near enough to build the number we need.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
That of course is true but we have a housing shortage how fo you suggest we square that circle ? Yes there are some previously developed sites that can be used but nowhere near enough to build the number we need.
Sadly true. Much of the development in the proposed new local plan here (Welwyn Hatfield) is greenfield. The borough is 85% green belt too. The one big town centre sure being redeveloped, the old Shredded Wheat factory, has already been permitted to go from 6 up to 14 storey blocks, totally breaking the "garden city principles" on which the town was famously established.
 

Steevo

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Location
Gloucestershire
That of course is true but we have a housing shortage how fo you suggest we square that circle ? Yes there are some previously developed sites that can be used but nowhere near enough to build the number we need.

Rather than taking "housing shortage" as read.....why don't we ask WHY we have a supposed housing shortage and then address that bit?

I could even ask how we determine we have a housing shortage? Too much demand, not enough supply.

We can't keep building houses forever and ever like a perpetual motion machine.

I wonder if interest rates were 10% (or at least closer to the historic average) whether there would be such demand...?
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
That of course is true but we have a housing shortage how fo you suggest we square that circle ? Yes there are some previously developed sites that can be used but nowhere near enough to build the number we need.
In Cornwall there is a housing shortage and yet there are more 2nd homes and holiday homes than first homes needed.
Locally there is a row of 13 cottages only 1 is lived in full time.
How can this be right?
Though I do love St Ives in winter (y)
 
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southwest
Study by Natueal History Museum states that the UK has lost 47 percent of its biodiversity due to "development and intensive farming " and potentially we are teetering on a biological disaster

The UK is ranked lowest of the G7 countries for biodiversity and of course BBC (who may well be following the government line to protect their licence fee) have jumped on this.

What a time to be alive

Right, lets all calm down a bit and look at what has actually been said and what it means before we all start wringing our hands and pleading guilty to something that we may not be responsible for, or may even not be a bad thing anyway.

Before we panic we need to know just what is meant by "lost 47% of biodiversity"

Does that mean we have 47% less areas of biodiversity? That would be almost exclusively due to development.

Or 47% less varieties of flora and fauna, Does that mean major species such as Wildcats, or minor species like for instance a type of moth that may only have existed on one small area of heathland?

Also, everyone needs to bear in mind that nature is changing all the time, It's called EVOLUTION. And it's the reason we homo sapiens swarm all over the planet and our Neanderthal ancestors don't.

It would also be useful to know the timescales of the reported changes, and whether the rate of change is increasing or decreasing
 
Location
southwest
In Cornwall there is a housing shortage and yet there are more 2nd homes and holiday homes than first homes needed.
Locally there is a row of 13 cottages only 1 is lived in full time.
How can this be right?
Though I do love St Ives in winter (y)

The above defines 21st Century Britain.

"Shortages" are claimed for everything from fuel to toilet paper to housing, when the reality is just poor distribution-ordinary people hoard toilet paper or keep topping up their cars with petrol, richer people "hoard" housing.
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
In my area the town has two large housing estates going up at the moment with another 3 planned. If this doesn't affect bio-diversity I don't know what does.

The headline does say development as well. The new environment bill is designed to stop this for housing development. As they will have to show biodiversity net gain.
 
Exposing freshly turned up soil to the air is what loses all the carbon through oxidisation. Stuff left on the surface protects the soil and feeds the biology in the way it has evolved.
also cultivation changes the ecology of the soil to more bacteria and less fungi, it is fungi partly that sequesters Carbon, where as increasing bacteria "burns up" the carbon held in the soil, and as the bacteria dies, releases it to the atmosphere.
 
I don't think my point was in the article.

The buried Carbon from the surface will sequester whereas the surface Carbon MIGHT sequester a bit if worms take it.

Really from all these so called Science you rely on the "Scientist" being honest and professional .. unfortunately in my experience of humans at least 50% are not professional, honesty can be sold quite easily.
it is not just worms that take organic matter underground, dung beetles can take it up to 1 metre down.
 
Right, lets all calm down a bit and look at what has actually been said and what it means before we all start wringing our hands and pleading guilty to something that we may not be responsible for, or may even not be a bad thing anyway.

Before we panic we need to know just what is meant by "lost 47% of biodiversity"

Does that mean we have 47% less areas of biodiversity? That would be almost exclusively due to development.

Or 47% less varieties of flora and fauna, Does that mean major species such as Wildcats, or minor species like for instance a type of moth that may only have existed on one small area of heathland?

Also, everyone needs to bear in mind that nature is changing all the time, It's called EVOLUTION. And it's the reason we homo sapiens swarm all over the planet and our Neanderthal ancestors don't.

It would also be useful to know the timescales of the reported changes, and whether the rate of change is increasing or decreasing



Exactly. A lot of these species were very very marginal.

Oliver Rackham History of British Countryside tells us what has gone extinct over the past couple of thousand years.

There is no "great extinction" thats nonsense. Besides if they want to pay me for more biodiversity I'm all ears but at the moment I have to get my income from the marketplace
 

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HSENI names new farm safety champions

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

Improving farm safety is the key aim of HSENI’s and the FSP’s work and...
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