Another one on the environmental bandwagon

Spuddler

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Summer set
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Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
I have never been to South Ayrshire, only Dumfries and Galloway so I have no idea about the land there, but I can only presume that it is all arable land (and grade 1 at that) that is all suitable for veggie production, because I would not want my council wanting to destroy all the farming in my area, I would have thought their job was to encourage local industries!
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
People like meat, the many, many quiet people that aren't shouty idiots on social media. Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake.
Except these people aren't really the enemy though, they're supposed to be representing and looking after the local people's interests and environment. Not repeating utter bollox cos they're dopey.
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
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Sent.
Because, if you haven't realised by now, no-one you pay your levies and subs to is going to do it for you. It's up to you.

emailed


Good evening,

Disappointed to see you jumping on the ill thought out anti-meat bandwagon, especially given the land capability of the county you represent.

Could you perhaps elaborate the decision to pursue this path a bit beyond your overly simplistic ad campaign? And how it fits in with the emissions pie chart below

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Looking at it (very) simply, a 75% reduction in livestock would reduce that sector’s emissions from 5.8% of total, to 4.35% of total. A 1.45% reduction in total emissions.

You’d then increase veg (agricultural soils) by 75%, so that would increase from 4.2% to 7.35% of total emissions. Should probably bump up “energy in agriculture” a bit too. I’m not sure how you’d quantify increasing seed/nut production emissions from the above chart as it doesn’t appear to feature in UK emissions. Are they just to be imported from somewhere else? Coz that means it doesn’t count doesn’t it.

So you’d reduce livestock emissions by 1.45% of total, increase veg emissions by 3.15% of total to counter that, plus the 150% increase in nuts and seeds, (which I’m sure you’ll have the emission figures for, so I’d be pleased to hear what they are).

I’m a bit confused, so be pleased to have it cleared up by reply.

If you’d like, I could send you a picture of a vegetable field and also one of a grass field with sheep in it and you can decide which is probably better for the environment. Remember we live in Scotland, not California, so there’s a reason why we have the types of agriculture we do, and not fields of almonds, pecans and avacados.

Want to help the environment? Buy sustainable, buy local. It’s a bit more effort to bypass the big corporations, but do they have our best interests at heart? No, they don’t, they want to sell us a fusarium mould meat substitute grown in vats, using biblical amounts of energy to do so.

Why? Because food has become so devalued by retail in its relentless pursuit of footfall and market share that thcan no longer make sustainable profits. Factory food is a way of cutting nature, and it’s unreliable variables (like weather) out of the financial forecasts and subsequent dividend payments.

Would really expect a bit more from the elected officials of this country. Was any research done other than reading the Guardian and following extinction rebellions McDonald’s protest on Twitter?

Here’s a handy link to some facts, that haven’t been provided by PETA or whomever else has been sending leaflets or standing outside the office.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?pages/thesolution/

kind regards
 

Pringles

Member
Location
West Fife
Two weeks ago our local council (Fife) put a message very similar to the one that has been posted by South Ayrshire it also caused quite a sh!t storm of replies from the general public and has since been removed.
I asked if the person/persons responsible for putting the message up were being led by central government or was this just some local hero jumping on the fashion bandwagon.
Seeing almost the same message being posted tonight I am more inclined to think that it is being driven from "further up" than local council.

After 21mm of rain yesterday and it pissing down non stop today I would like to offer the good farmers of Ayrshire the best of fekin luck increasing nut production by 150%!!
 

johnspeehs

Member
Location
Co Antrim
Two weeks ago our local council (Fife) put a message very similar to the one that has been posted by South Ayrshire it also caused quite a sh!t storm of replies from the general public and has since been removed.
I asked if the person/persons responsible for putting the message up were being led by central government or was this just some local hero jumping on the fashion bandwagon.
Seeing almost the same message being posted tonight I am more inclined to think that it is being driven from "further up" than local council.

After 21mm of rain yesterday and it pissing down non stop today I would like to offer the good farmers of Ayrshire the best of fekin luck increasing nut production by 150%!!


With ideas like this being put forward I think there's an abundance of nuts around already
 

yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
emailed


Good evening,

Disappointed to see you jumping on the ill thought out anti-meat bandwagon, especially given the land capability of the county you represent.

Could you perhaps elaborate the decision to pursue this path a bit beyond your overly simplistic ad campaign? And how it fits in with the emissions pie chart below

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Looking at it (very) simply, a 75% reduction in livestock would reduce that sector’s emissions from 5.8% of total, to 4.35% of total. A 1.45% reduction in total emissions.

You’d then increase veg (agricultural soils) by 75%, so that would increase from 4.2% to 7.35% of total emissions. Should probably bump up “energy in agriculture” a bit too. I’m not sure how you’d quantify increasing seed/nut production emissions from the above chart as it doesn’t appear to feature in UK emissions. Are they just to be imported from somewhere else? Coz that means it doesn’t count doesn’t it.

So you’d reduce livestock emissions by 1.45% of total, increase veg emissions by 3.15% of total to counter that, plus the 150% increase in nuts and seeds, (which I’m sure you’ll have the emission figures for, so I’d be pleased to hear what they are).

I’m a bit confused, so be pleased to have it cleared up by reply.

If you’d like, I could send you a picture of a vegetable field and also one of a grass field with sheep in it and you can decide which is probably better for the environment. Remember we live in Scotland, not California, so there’s a reason why we have the types of agriculture we do, and not fields of almonds, pecans and avacados.

Want to help the environment? Buy sustainable, buy local. It’s a bit more effort to bypass the big corporations, but do they have our best interests at heart? No, they don’t, they want to sell us a fusarium mould meat substitute grown in vats, using biblical amounts of energy to do so.

Why? Because food has become so devalued by retail in its relentless pursuit of footfall and market share that thcan no longer make sustainable profits. Factory food is a way of cutting nature, and it’s unreliable variables (like weather) out of the financial forecasts and subsequent dividend payments.

Would really expect a bit more from the elected officials of this country. Was any research done other than reading the Guardian and following extinction rebellions McDonald’s protest on Twitter?

Here’s a handy link to some facts, that haven’t been provided by PETA or whomever else has been sending leaflets or standing outside the office.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?pages/thesolution/

kind regards
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