Antibiotic failure

[som farmer]

if you are a 'bad' producer, any buyer should be pleased to let you go asap
it would seem to me, somebody is taking the p**s, they are happily taking your milk, giving you a fine, do they issue you a bill for disposal? or do they sell it as normal ? somewhere it doesn't add up. Who else would take your milk ? We had huge problems with arla, collections were our falling out, sometimes 3 a night, or not at all, refusing to put tank washers on. then if a bacto was high, it wasn't anything to do with them. we were told they could never break a contracrt, the collections were one company, depot another, factory yet another !Having had a lot of hassle with them, we moved, I really simpathise with you.

 

[Had enough.com]

Yes but the milk goes to Arla and the other farmers on the tanker are Arla farmers

Something seems very suss to me. Are you being made a scapegoat as only non Arla?

 

[supercow]

I do believe Mr mellor is on a hill farm.
Does altitude make much difference?

You do make me chuckle @Beef farmer

 

[jimmer]

FFS Will , i will say it if nobody else will

You openly admit that you run your dry cows with the milking herd , the drug that has failed this last consignment of milk is one that is found in a dry cow antibiotic , that you have openly admitted that you started using , albeit according to one of your earlier posts after the failed milk event

Are you sure you didnt use some beforehand

Your milk buyer will not be impressed at you causing issues to their supply chain , when something simple like running the dry cows separately isnt being done

i am happy to be berated by both yourself and others for being harsh or indeed wrong , but 99 percent of the time errors are explained at a farm level , all you lot filling peoples heads with malicious theories of contaminating tanks and equipment is not helping

I am most definitely not perfect and have caused tankers to go down myself too so please dont think i am sitting on a perch

 

[supercow]

FFS Will , i will say it if nobody else will

You openly admit that you run your dry cows with the milking herd , the drug that has failed this last consignment of milk is one that is found in a dry cow antibiotic , that you have openly admitted that you started using , albeit according to one of your earlier posts after the failed milk event

Are you sure you didnt use some beforehand

Your milk buyer will not be impressed at you causing issues to their supply chain , when something simple like running the dry cows separately isnt being done

i am happy to be berated by both yourself and others for being harsh or indeed wrong , but 99 percent of the time errors are explained at a farm level , all you lot filling peoples heads with malicious theories of contaminating tanks and equipment is not helping

I am most definitely not perfect and have caused tankers to go down myself too so please dont think i am sitting on a perch

I was scared to say that because I would get bullied again, but I completely agree I think it’s crazy running dry cows with the milkers.

 

[William Mellor]

Something seems very suss to me. Are you being made a scapegoat as only non Arla?

Could be but I don’t know

 

[William Mellor]

FFS Will , i will say it if nobody else will

You openly admit that you run your dry cows with the milking herd , the drug that has failed this last consignment of milk is one that is found in a dry cow antibiotic , that you have openly admitted that you started using , albeit according to one of your earlier posts after the failed milk event

Are you sure you didnt use some beforehand

Your milk buyer will not be impressed at you causing issues to their supply chain , when something simple like running the dry cows separately isnt being done

i am happy to be berated by both yourself and others for being harsh or indeed wrong , but 99 percent of the time errors are explained at a farm level , all you lot filling peoples heads with malicious theories of contaminating tanks and equipment is not helping

I am most definitely not perfect and have caused tankers to go down myself too so please dont think i am sitting on a perch

But I’ve not treated any dry cows with antibiotics so how can they be the issue? And even tho they run with the milk cows they aren’t getting any concentrates so they normally keep back from the parlour but even then they are taped up, 2 on the tail and tape round both back legs! I do all but 1 milking a week, if I’d of milked a dry cow I would have know even then how can a dry cow without treatment of antibiotics fail the tanker! Any dry cows that get dry cow tubes are kept separate for that reason.
There is one dry cow from last week now that has had dry cow tubes, cepravine, she won’t be getting in calf again unless she has a miracle recovery, she is lame on 3 out of 4 feet and high SCC and had 4 cases of mastitis in the last 6 months of lacaction and was removed from the milking herd on the day she was dried off and is now running with the main group of heifers. I am very careful about antibotic use, a bit OTT some might think, I am drying off less than 10 cows a year with dry cow tubes out of 120 milking as I only treat worse effected cows

 

[William Mellor]

I was scared to say that because I would get bullied again, but I completely agree I think it’s crazy running dry cows with the milkers.

If I treat a cow at drying off with dry cow tubes she is removed from the milk cows and kept with the heifers until about a week before she calves and doesn’t go back to the milk cows until she has calved and tested free of antibiotics. I am currently only running around 14 with the milk cows but I am drying a lot of soon that are due October/November so will probably seperate all the drys off then I they will get annoying to have around

 

[The Agrarian]

Sorry if this has been said, but do you keep your dairy locked up when you aren't on the farmyard?

 

[Smiler]

The more I read this thread the more I realise I could be reading about ourselves. Exactly the same thing happened to us couple of years ago. Milk failed twice within a week, samples got lost and it took 3 days for them to inform us it had failed the whole tanker load. Not a chance an antibiotic cow had been milked but we got nowhere and our insurance had to cover the cost of disposing of the whole tanker load. Very very fishy if you ask me, I feel for you as it’s a terrible worry but I don’t fancy your chances of getting to the bottom of it.

 

[___\0/___]

The more I read this thread the more I realise I could be reading about ourselves. Exactly the same thing happened to us couple of years ago. Milk failed twice within a week, samples got lost and it took 3 days for them to inform us it had failed the whole tanker load. Not a chance an antibiotic cow had been milked but we got nowhere and our insurance had to cover the cost of disposing of the whole tanker load. Very very fishy if you ask me, I feel for you as it’s a terrible worry but I don’t fancy your chances of getting to the bottom of it.

Happened to us as well for a drug we have never used, vet sorted it out for us.

 

[William Mellor]

if you are a 'bad' producer, any buyer should be pleased to let you go asap
it would seem to me, somebody is taking the p**s, they are happily taking your milk, giving you a fine, do they issue you a bill for disposal? or do they sell it as normal ? somewhere it doesn't add up. Who else would take your milk ? We had huge problems with arla, collections were our falling out, sometimes 3 a night, or not at all, refusing to put tank washers on. then if a bacto was high, it wasn't anything to do with them. we were told they could never break a contracrt, the collections were one company, depot another, factory yet another !Having had a lot of hassle with them, we moved, I really simpathise with you.

Yes they are issuing me a bill for disposal, costs of the tanker load of milk at retail price and cost of drivers time for hauling milk that worthless aswell cost of running the tanker that trip, but my insurance want proof of that but my milk buyer was very hesitate about proving proof

 

[William Mellor]

Sorry if this has been said, but do you keep your dairy locked up when you aren't on the farmyard?

Yes locked up when there’s no one about

 

[coomoo]

Yes they are issuing me a bill for disposal, costs of the tanker load of milk at retail price and cost of drivers time for hauling milk that worthless aswell cost of running the tanker that trip, but my insurance want proof of that but my milk buyer was very hesitate about proving proof

Id be bloody close to a bit of time off producing milk, jeez even if it’s 12 months I’d b moving

 

[William Mellor]

Id be bloody close to a bit of time off producing milk, jeez even if it’s 12 months I’d b moving

Currently that’s the plan can only give notice on 3 days of the year, without getting my contract out it’s 12 months on the 31st March, 30th June, and 30th September so unless a lot changes in the next month we’ll be giving notice to leave because I’m fed up!

 

[pappuller]

Currently that’s the plan can only give notice on 3 days of the year, without getting my contract out it’s 12 months on the 31st March, 30th June, and 30th September so unless a lot changes in the next month we’ll be giving notice to leave because I’m fed up!

Make sure you have a contract signed before you hand in your notice ?

 

[William Mellor]

Make sure you have a contract signed before you hand in your notice ?

Should have by then

 

[betweenthelines]

Yes but the milk goes to Arla and the other farmers on the tanker are Arla farmers

Tanker of milk fails and the only non Arla farm is blamed and made to foot the bill.
Well what a surprise! And not at all suspicious.

Why are you even talking to Arla, you have no business relationship with them whatsoever, this is a matter between them and your buyer. What is your buyer doing to help you?

edited to add, really feel sorry for you, but I think as soon as you even started to discuss the matter with Arla, they knew you were a pushover
As I have posted before Coop once complained to us about a milk issue, we reported this to our buyer who told them to myofb. but then, our buyer at the time was MMB.

 

[kiwi pom]

Yes but the milk goes to Arla and the other farmers on the tanker are Arla farmers

So you're not an Arla member but your milk is picked up by an Arla tanker and taken to an Arla factory? That's an eyebrow raiser but we'll ignore it.
To be dumped the tanker must be failing an initial inhibs test at which point i'm sure the loads re tested before its dumped/taken elsewhere- at this point the samples for that load should be isolated to make sure they're not lost in the system- This would happen fairly quickly though because the tankers needed but you're not told its failed until a couple of days later, by which time you could have sent another potentially contaminated load in?
That's ridiculous.

 

[kiwi pom]

Yes they are issuing me a bill for disposal, costs of the tanker load of milk at retail price and cost of drivers time for hauling milk that worthless aswell cost of running the tanker that trip, but my insurance want proof of that but my milk buyer was very hesitate about proving proof

If the tanker was dumped it should be easy for them to prove it as there would be a significant paper trail, test results for the load etc.