Any Future.

digger64

Member
Yes, if you are prepared to adapt to the changing business we are in. Stand still and you will be overtaken. We are at the beginning of the biggest period of change in UK agriculture since the end of WW2. That is either an opportunity or a threat, depending on whether your glass is half empty or half full.
How is it going to change when the gov is still going to throw money at it albeit from and too a different direction ?
 

richard hammond

Member
BASIS
Yes, if you are prepared to adapt to the changing business we are in. Stand still and you will be overtaken. We are at the beginning of the biggest period of change in UK agriculture since the end of WW2. That is either an opportunity or a threat, depending on whether your glass is half empty or half full.
I feel you are absolutely correct, we have always had change, Ive been involved in agriculture from being a 11year old cleaning out pigs for 5 shillings a week. I have seen so many people worry about the future until the future gets here and then they find it is not too bad.
 

vantage

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Location
Pembs
From my perspective farmers are too aware of a minority that are very good at getting their slanted point of view across, whereas the silent majority are either supportive or have no view about farmers.
Navel gazing is not productive, I’m absolutely sure there are far more occupations that are far less pleasant than agriculture, but remembering that if it was so easy everybody would be doing it.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Been in the indrustry since i was 14 now 51. The constant bombardment from organisations, groups and people i ask myself is there any future in this indrustry?

At 51 what can you do as an alternative?
Personally, if I could have my time again I wouldn’t be in farming but that isn’t an option and to make the best of things I accept that « this is it ». I can juggle what actual farming activities are prevalent, ie adjust the balance between combinables/grass/cattle etc, which, in my head I am doing all the time, depending on mood😐
 
Then change the narrative. Make food miles the environmental issue. Find common ground with the environmental movement. I suggested to Guy Smith on here that he should meet with the ceo of FoE to explore such common ground, he replied that he didn't think he was important enough. P!ss poor attitude.
If there is 'any future' then it is through working with the envi movement, not through putting your wagons in a circle, because frankly we don't have enough wagons.
Maybe it’s the eco campaigners that need to change the narrative because if getting things banned here simply means the problem moves abroad possibly to continue with less checks in place then at best they have achieved nothing and at worst made things worse. That is a problem they have made and need to accept responsibility for.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
A hypothetical question....

If you won a couple of million on the lottery today would you:
1. Buy a small farm?
2. Buy a house and some fields to play at your farming, leaving the rest to live off?
3. Invest it all outside of ag?

At a similar age to the op, my heart says option 1, but my head says the jobs fooked going forward and the other options would be far more sensible.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
A hypothetical question....

If you won a couple of million on the lottery today would you:
1. Buy a small farm?
2. Buy a house and some fields to play at your farming, leaving the rest to live off?
3. Invest it all outside of ag?

At a similar age to the op, my heart says option 1, but my head says the jobs fooked going forward and the other options would be far more sensible.

I would say (and I do say I’m going to sell these farms and do just that sometimes) that I would buy a little place on the beach near SAN Francisco... but my wife says she wouldn’t come with me so that’s a bit buggered🥴
 

Hilly

Member
A hypothetical question....

If you won a couple of million on the lottery today would you:
1. Buy a small farm?
2. Buy a house and some fields to play at your farming, leaving the rest to live off?
3. Invest it all outside of ag?

At a similar age to the op, my heart says option 1, but my head says the jobs fooked going forward and the other options would be far more sensible.
Buy a small farm for the reason that land is easy good investment anything better you’d need to be fairy clever long term and do lots of work to make it work , and also buy it for tax iht etc I wouldn’t be buying it do be a bloody farmer but That would defo be the outcome, more money to be made just owning land than farming it only farm it for the weekly wage 😂
 

digger64

Member
Lamb and beef at record prices wheat @£200/t

What's wrong?
ask a pig farmer.

which would you rather have ?
grazing (@£50) and plenty of it no fert , loads of cheap straw and 300p dw a mixed ration @ £160
Or little grass (@£150) some fert ,farmer chops straw to save tax as wheat is £200 and 400p dw I will let you work out the feed cost pro rata , but forage wont necessarily be cheaper .
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
How is it going to change when the gov is still going to throw money at it albeit from and too a different direction ?
The cash will be aimed at environmental goods, not just propping up agribusinesses like Agrii, Fendt and Vaderstad. Many folk haven't grasped the fact that that they will have to work a lot harder to get it from that different direction. Agricultural production will reduce and certainly de-intensify, or farmed normally on a smaller % of the farm. In my opinion, anyway. What's your view?
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
A hypothetical question....

If you won a couple of million on the lottery today would you:
1. Buy a small farm?
2. Buy a house and some fields to play at your farming, leaving the rest to live off?
3. Invest it all outside of ag?

At a similar age to the op, my heart says option 1, but my head says the jobs fooked going forward and the other options would be far more sensible.
I'll keep farming until it's all gone :D
 

delilah

Member
Maybe it’s the eco campaigners that need to change the narrative because if getting things banned here simply means the problem moves abroad possibly to continue with less checks in place then at best they have achieved nothing and at worst made things worse. That is a problem they have made and need to accept responsibility for.
I pay subs to both NFU and FoE.
One is a burden on my business, via RT and net zero. The other is a benefit to my business, through encouraging its members to shop local and buy direct.
FoE have a turnover a fraction of that of NFU, and have to cover a multiple of disciplines, yet they still do more for me than NFU.
FoE have made no problem, and they have nothing to accept responsibility for. If farmers can't see the benefits in finding common ground with the envi movement, then that's farmings problem.
 

Hilly

Member
I pay subs to both NFU and FoE.
One is a burden on my business, via RT and net zero. The other is a benefit to my business, through encouraging its members to shop local and buy direct.
FoE have a turnover a fraction of that of NFU, and have to cover a multiple of disciplines, yet they still do more for me than NFU.
FoE have made no problem, and they have nothing to accept responsibility for. If farmers can't see the benefits in finding common ground with the envi movement, then that's farmings problem.
What’s foe ?
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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