Any one in the hydraulic hose business?

Discussion in 'Workshop Projects' started by Hooby Farmer, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Hooby Farmer

    Hooby Farmer Member

    Location:
    roe valley
    Is it worth it? I am aware that this is a very open ended question. I Might have an opportunity to take on the tools and stock from a man who's going out tired of it.
     
  2. I would think you need to be accessible for the plant boys to make it worth while which probably means being in a town, I mean at £50 a hose you need to sell a lot to make any money, or if you are about all the time might be worth while on a small scale but when you need a hose you need a hose so you would need to be available at least during working hours. If you are available out of work hours you would have an advantage for farming customers. What's the margin on a hose? What's his turnover /profit?
     
  3. agrimax

    agrimax Member

    Location:
    Co Down
    Are you prepared to comply with all the insurance,H&S, and legal requirements that are involved with hydraulic hose and fittings assemblies,not forgetting courses that are required also? Would think costs would be high just to get going if you were thinking of doing it right. No sticking a new end on a used hose or putting a crimped joint in place of a burst hose etc.......:whistle:
     
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  4. Rob Holmes

    Rob Holmes Moderator

    A good mobile mechanic mate of mine was going to do this years ago and reckoned it was a licence to print money. Other factors influenced why he didnt do it
    Have you seen how much Pirtek charge?
     
  5. Hooby Farmer

    Hooby Farmer Member

    Location:
    roe valley
    @B R C my intention would be to call outs and keep it in a van, I already have a small engineering business so was thinking it's another string to my bow. The two other guys local to me who do it are dealers who don't do call out work.
    @agrimax I'll get all the relevant paperwork (y) just some I'm like all the other pipemen in the country.
     
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  6. pine_guy

    pine_guy Member

    Location:
    North Cumbria
    Will you just make the replacement pipe, or actually fit it. I usually do my own, but if it is a bitch to do I let my mechanic do it. He loves me for it :p
     
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  7. Deutzdx3

    Deutzdx3 Member

    It’s good if you run it along side other business. Friend has a compressor pneumatics business and took on a guy doing hoses. It washes its face now after 3 years.
     
  8. john432

    john432 Member

    Location:
    Carmarthenshire
    My advice would be to avoid the Gates Megacrimp system, as the two piece fittings are about the third of the price.Allmost all the original pipework on machinery is the two piece type fittings so must be good. Also make sure you supply a good quality hose, how do trailer manufacturers get away with putting hydraulic brake hoses on that crack the outer coating and burst in less than three years!
     
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  9. TheTallGuy

    TheTallGuy Member

    Location:
    Cambridgeshire
    I'd be asking why the other guy is "tired of it". A guy that did a few bits for me got out because he would go for days without any work & then get a barrage of call outs with everyone demanding to be the highest priority! Then they'd moan about the costs of new pipe, call out charges and so on.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Member

    Location:
    Ulster
    i dont know who you shop with agrimax but about here they would put a fitting on any hose of any kind for a customer.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Member

    Location:
    Ulster
    to the OP,
    the tall guy is on the money here, why is the owner tired of it is what id be wondering.

    i have 2 swagers here but tbh i find it handier to run into town and get a hose made.
    then again im not making hoses every day but when i first bought a swager, fittings and hose i reckoned youd want to keep about 5+k's worth of fittings in stock so as youd have the right fitting for a required hose, its a lot of money tied up in stock if your only at it every so often.
     
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  12. TheTallGuy

    TheTallGuy Member

    Location:
    Cambridgeshire
    If they are a member of BFPA then they should not be re-ending hoses. https://bfpa.co.uk/technical/technical-articles/

    Admittedly their interpretation of how the relevant standards apply & are interpreted is questionable, but their reasoning behind it isn't. The person putting the fitting on has little idea as to the true condition of the hose beyond a basic inspection, which isn't sufficient to be able to guarantee that the re-ended hose is safe, & a hose that has failed once.... I'd rather take the financial hit of a new hose than risk being hit with hot high pressure oil.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Member

    Location:
    Ulster
    i wouldnt say he's a member of anything tbh, he just has an autofactors that supplies hoses to mostly farmers.
    im the same as you, if the hose burst then its time to go, indeed hyd hoses have a lifespan anyways and is recommended to replace them after so long burst or not but farmers will be farmers.
    i also know that if someone rocked up with a burst hose that was in good fettle wanting the burst part cut out and a m/f fitting installed to join it he wouldnt question it or at least ive never seen him do such.
    i know id be making a whole new hose but its his baby if he's willing to do that.
     
  14. Lofty1984

    Lofty1984 Member

    Location:
    Cardiff
  15. Can't you do something that utilises your existing premises,skills and equipment? Trailer servicing?
     
  16. Me too and they pretty much always have the necessary fittings whether it’s some weirdo SAE or angled JIC elbow or combination, and whatever grade of hose I need.

    DIY for hydraulic is an admirable quest, but a sh!t compromise (usually), and I want my hydraulic stuff tip top.
     
  17. Hooby Farmer

    Hooby Farmer Member

    Location:
    roe valley
    @tinman and @TheTallGuy you're exactly right that hes only doing a few pipes a week waiting on money etc. There are numerous reasons for this but I won't get into it on here. Its like any business that's new to you, I'll would need to learn into it, popular sizes, fittings.
     
  18. ACEngineering

    ACEngineering Member

    Location:
    Oxon
    I got a fair range of fittings but often not what I want! But I got plenty I bought 15 years ago that have never been used

    If my crimper broke I doubt I would bother replacing it!
     
  19. Hooby Farmer

    Hooby Farmer Member

    Location:
    roe valley
    That's very interesting @ACEngineering. Can I ask you why you wouldn't replace it?
     
  20. tinman

    tinman Member

    Location:
    Ulster
    id say he's of a similar opinion to myself, its just handier and cheaper to run to the local hose lad and let him carry the stock.

    im the same, i have a box full of hyd swage fittings of odd sizes thats just sitting here gathering dust, an odd time one comes in handy but its not too often.

    the first gates swager i bought cost me 500 quid secondhand, then gates had an epiphany and decided to change their whole range of swage type fittings so you needed an upgraded jaw kit which was the best end of a thousand quid to keep going which rendered the swager pretty much useless for the gates fittings at least.
    she will do 2 piece no bother but my man is going to charge me as much for the fittings as it is to swage them so not much point.

    i use my swager now for the likes of reducing metal piping for certain jobs, i find it handy times, i wouldnt be without it but its eating no grass here.
    the last swager i bought was a electric gates version with a bucket full of dies, i got it for 70 quid....
    i must plug it in some day...:rolleyes:
     

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