Any reports from Builth ?

[neilo]

Not everyone is obsessed with grass feeding though and maybe there’s a reason those people have the most money to buy the best tups.

I know someone locally that always appears to have plenty of money to buy the 'best' tups, and takes some stopping if he wants it. He also tells me that his sheep don't make any money and that something needs to change...….

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

 

[mark perego]

There’s a reason they make the most money and it’s because they throw the best lambs.
Yours is not fit to be called a Ram !
I’d be ashamed to put up a pic of it. No wonder it was reasonable !
Is it such a big secret how much you paid ?
Pointless posting “reasonable money” imho opinion. I’d call killing money reasonable for that myself.
Sorry rant over but people knocking buyers for buying the best and taking home rubbish like that realy gets my goat.

Got up on the wrong side of the bed?
You’re welcome to the cabbage stuffed tups.
I want my lambs to fatten on grass and clovers not the feed bag

 

[andybk]

There’s a reason they make the most money and it’s because they throw the best lambs.
Yours is not fit to be called a Ram !
I’d be ashamed to put up a pic of it. No wonder it was reasonable !
Is it such a big secret how much you paid ?
Pointless posting “reasonable money” imho opinion. I’d call killing money reasonable for that myself.
Sorry rant over but people knocking buyers for buying the best and taking home rubbish like that realy gets my goat.

you really think so ?got any data on that ? or do they just look good , there is going to be a wake up for all the strong cabbage / conc fed terminals soon ,(when subs go ) huge inroads are already being taken by logie and easyrams to name just a few , excess concentrate feeding just burns the gut lining which never recovers , along with damaged livers and kidneys , i dont doubt plenty will still want to buy the biggest cake in the window, but dont confuse that with producing the best shaped fastest finishing lambs off old pasture . The feedback i get from my customers is they definitely dont want those fat heavy boned edinburgh suffolks anymore .

 

[tinsheet]

Worked as a drover for several years now, and have noticed buyers who buy the dearest rams most defiantly do not sell the best lambs, it's the buyers who buy with their head not their wallet who sell the best runs of lambs,
Just what I've noticed here on the moor, maybe different else where.

 

[RastaBoy]

I know someone locally that always appears to have plenty of money to buy the 'best' tups, and takes some stopping if he wants it. He also tells me that his sheep don't make any money and that something needs to change...….

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Some of the most astute affluent people I know always tell a hard luck story.
Those doing well don’t need to boast and tell others how well they’re doing.
Maybe if he told how well it pays others would be able to outbid him !

 

[RastaBoy]

Got up on the wrong side of the bed?
You’re welcome to the cabbage stuffed tups.
I want my lambs to fatten on grass and clovers not the feed bag

Maybe I did can’t usualy be bothered to reply to such drivel.
Thank you.

 

[RastaBoy]

you really think so ?got any data on that ? or do they just look good , there is going to be a wake up for all the strong cabbage / conc fed terminals soon ,(when subs go ) huge inroads are already being taken by logie and easyrams to name just a few , excess concentrate feeding just burns the gut lining which never recovers , along with damaged livers and kidneys , i dont doubt plenty will still want to buy the biggest cake in the window, but dont confuse that with producing the best shaped fastest finishing lambs off old pasture . The feedback i get from my customers is they definitely dont want those fat heavy boned edinburgh suffolks anymore .

Not a data man myself.
Those that can do those that can’t teach or injested meaningless data.
I’m sorry but I can’t be bothered to reply to your other points if you believe such rubbish we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[CopperBeech]

Always nice to have an expert in our midst.

 

[neilo]

Some of the most astute affluent people I know always tell a hard luck story.
Those doing well don’t need to boast and tell others how well they’re doing.
Maybe if he told how well it pays others would be able to outbid him !

Maybe you know him better than I do?

I’ve always believed genetics are the best investment you can make, and learnt from my father, who was always a tough one to stop. i’d Happily take him on, if I thought an animal was worth it, but some people have different ways of deciding on value. I’ve learnt not to be so easily swayed by a ‘producer’ with a big bucket.

 

[Al R]

My cousins did very well with their texel’s
I don’t know anyone else who went but could be a handful who would’ve entered.

 

[jamesy]

you really think so ?got any data on that ? or do they just look good , there is going to be a wake up for all the strong cabbage / conc fed terminals soon ,(when subs go ) huge inroads are already being taken by logie and easyrams to name just a few , excess concentrate feeding just burns the gut lining which never recovers , along with damaged livers and kidneys , i dont doubt plenty will still want to buy the biggest cake in the window, but dont confuse that with producing the best shaped fastest finishing lambs off old pasture . The feedback i get from my customers is they definitely dont want those fat heavy boned edinburgh suffolks anymore .

Just as well, there’s not been a sale at Edinburgh for years!

 

[andybk]

Just as well, there’s not been a sale at Edinburgh for years!

lol yea i know but you get what i mean , that was the downfall of the suffolk , breeders all buying each others breeding bigger and coarser rams which needed the feedbag , that said kelso and builth found plenty of buyers as it trickled down the chain , cost the breed a lot of customers 20 years on though .texel and charollais will end up the same way at some point

 

[Ysgythan]

We all know there is a Builth type. We all know there is a TFF type. We all know that they are quite different to each other.

A fellow breeder was talking to a farmer who was criticising the feeding of Texel shearlings. He asked if he’d thought about buying a lamb. Oh yes So & So has a good pen - So & So are one of the biggest feeders...

A pen of well fed big ram lambs who normally get four figure prices didn’t do so well this year. Their legs and top lines weren’t what they usually were. So even in the scramble for the biggest, fattest tups buyers are still quite picky about other things. You have to believe then that they know what they are after. Some are definitely prepared to buy what others consider faults to get a cheaper animal that gives them others of their priorities.

There is not only no particular premium for grass fed in Builth there is seemingly an active disincentive. It takes a brave seller to swim against that tide. Some do and generate repeat custom over time, but there’s a definite glass ceiling on prices paid, and in a poor selling year these are the first types to suffer, rightly or wrongly. The temptation then is always to take a bit of feed bucket insurance against this. Whether right or wrong fed tups sell there, and whilst they sell, they’ll be fed. The customer is always right.

 

[RastaBoy]

Worked as a drover for several years now, and have noticed buyers who buy the dearest rams most defiantly do not sell the best lambs, it's the buyers who buy with their head not their wallet who sell the best runs of lambs,
Just what I've noticed here on the moor, maybe different else where.

Maybe you know him better than I do?

I’ve always believed genetics are the best investment you can make, and learnt from my father, who was always a tough one to stop. i’d Happily take him on, if I thought an animal was worth it, but some people have different ways of deciding on value. I’ve learnt not to be so easily swayed by a ‘producer’ with a big bucket.

Funny Tim from The flour firm reckoned you and your father were some of his best customers in years gone by. Bought more than anyone else.
I absolutely agree about genetics. A strong animal with a broad snout is going to eat grass more easily than some scrawny thin faced bugger as per original posters pics.
I think the market proves it’s own point and top prices are not the hard done by pasture rangers many promote.
Another thing I’d say is sheep breeders are as big a bunch of liars as dairy farmers.
No one shears early or feeds tups or dairy cows copious amounts but when a new breeder who believes that guff sells for the first time his rams are always the scrawniest.

 

[RastaBoy]

We all know there is a Builth type. We all know there is a TFF type. We all know that they are quite different to each other.

A fellow breeder was talking to a farmer who was criticising the feeding of Texel shearlings. He asked if he’d thought about buying a lamb. Oh yes So & So has a good pen - So & So are one of the biggest feeders...

A pen of well fed big ram lambs who normally get four figure prices didn’t do so well this year. Their legs and top lines weren’t what they usually were. So even in the scramble for the biggest, fattest tups buyers are still quite picky about other things. You have to believe then that they know what they are after. Some are definitely prepared to buy what others consider faults to get a cheaper animal that gives them others of their priorities.

There is not only no particular premium for grass fed in Builth there is seemingly an active disincentive. It takes a brave seller to swim against that tide. Some do and generate repeat custom over time, but there’s a definite glass ceiling on prices paid, and in a poor selling year these are the first types to suffer, rightly or wrongly. The temptation then is always to take a bit of feed bucket insurance against this. Whether right or wrong fed tups sell there, and whilst they sell, they’ll be fed. The customer is always right.

Damn right.
The customer knows what he wants.
It’s the sanctimonious gits who read the biased studies and think they have to educate the rest of us who realy tiss me off.

 

[texas pete]

Damn right.
The customer knows what he wants.
It’s the sanctimonious gits who read the biased studies and think they have to educate the rest of us who realy tiss me off.

What about the ranting, angry, arrogant, opinionated gits, do they tiss you off too?

 

[neilo]

Funny Tim from The flour firm reckoned you and your father were some of his best customers in years gone by. Bought more than anyone else.
I absolutely agree about genetics. A strong animal with a broad snout is going to eat grass more easily than some scrawny thin faced bugger as per original posters pics.
I think the market proves it’s own point and top prices are not the hard done by pasture rangers many promote.
Another thing I’d say is sheep breeders are as big a bunch of liars as dairy farmers.
No one shears early or feeds tups or dairy cows copious amounts but when a new breeder who believes that guff sells for the first time his rams are always the scrawniest.

I'm guessing 'Tim' didn't mention that the artic load of feed we were having each week was dairy cake, going into a large (at the time) herd of high yielding Holsteins?

But yes, we did used to feed more concentrates to sheep too, hence I can say from experience that our commercial flock leave more profit since they've been making better use of forage. We don't top the market with our lambs any more, but there is certainly more difference between sale price and costs.

 

[RastaBoy]

I'm guessing 'Tim' didn't mention that the artic load of feed we were having each week was dairy cake, going into a large (at the time) herd of high yielding Holsteins?

But yes, we did used to feed more concentrates to sheep too, hence I can say from experience that our commercial flock leave more profit since they've been making better use of forage. We don't top the market with our lambs any more, but there is certainly more difference between sale price and costs.

Hell yes he told us the lot !
Maybe your expertise is better with low input less complicated systems.
Doesn’t mean others more suited to managing intensive systems can’t make just as much and perhaps more than you ever could.

 

[RastaBoy]

By the way topping the market doesn’t impress me at all but good looking well turned out animals do.
There’s proper skill in turning out quality rams and if they had all been poisoned with concentrates those exact stockmen would have customers coming back year after year.

 

[RastaBoy]

What about the ranting, angry, arrogant, opinionated gits, do they tiss you off too?

No I love a bloody good argument.