Anyone else still got slugs

[rob1]

Sluxx (Ferric phosphate) is a registered product and proven to work. The Sluxx pellet is better than Derrex (IMO). Ferric phosphate certainly has a place alongside metaldehyde and methiocarb. The difference with Sluxx and Derrex is that you do not see the dead slug. Methiocarb you will see dead slugs, metaldehyde you will see slime trails and dead slugs but with Iron they tend to go underground and die, so you don't get the "feel good" factor. The assessment with Iron has to be the reduction in grazing and crop damage. I know Certis are working on the colour of the pellet to overcome the colour leaching that the pellets can suffer from.

Thanks good to get a pro's view, I used sluxx year and was happy, not had to use anything this year, I like sluxx because it doesnt harm worms (allegedly) and isnt a problem in water(so far)

 

[Flat 10]

Sluxx (Ferric phosphate) is a registered product and proven to work. The Sluxx pellet is better than Derrex (IMO). Ferric phosphate certainly has a place alongside metaldehyde and methiocarb. The difference with Sluxx and Derrex is that you do not see the dead slug. Methiocarb you will see dead slugs, metaldehyde you will see slime trails and dead slugs but with Iron they tend to go underground and die, so you don't get the "feel good" factor. The assessment with Iron has to be the reduction in grazing and crop damage. I know Certis are working on the colour of the pellet to overcome the colour leaching that the pellets can suffer from.

And they do a very nifty demo where they drop them in a cup of water, all the blue washes out but the pellets remain nice and hard........... apparently. To be fair killed my slugs last autumn on a field that you probably drive by................

 

[Desangosse Ltd]

And they do a very nifty demo where they drop them in a cup of water, all the blue washes out but the pellets remain nice and hard........... apparently. To be fair killed my slugs last autumn on a field that you probably drive by................

Not that field

 

[shakerator]

Thanks good to get a pro's view, I used sluxx year and was happy, not had to use anything this year, I like sluxx because it doesnt harm worms (allegedly) and isnt a problem in water(so far)

@rob1 you are correct to use the term allegedly!

at the risk of sounding like a stuck record,

ferric phosphate is harmless to everything.

Ferric phosphate + EDTA is a broad spectrum iron poison

EDTA is not included in toxicity studies as it is considered inert, and doesnt even appear on the label!

 

[rob1]

@rob1 you are correct to use the term allegedly!

at the risk of sounding like a stuck record,

ferric phosphate is harmless to everything.

Ferric phosphate + EDTA is a broad spectrum iron poison

EDTA is not included in toxicity studies as it is considered inert, and doesnt even appear on the label!

Thats my worry

 

[franklin]

http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~soilecol/Full articles/2008/Crop Protection 28.pdf

Go Ohio State University! Woooo!

 

[John]

Gave them some draza last night seems to be doing the trick

 

[CORK]

http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~soilecol/Full articles/2008/Crop Protection 28.pdf

Go Ohio State University! Woooo!

Ah go on, what was the conclusion, too lazy here to read all that!

 

[Flat 10]

I don't know if your that one is the same as my that one but yes. Wheat looks ok, no slugs this year.

 

[shakerator]

Both EDTA and ferric phosphate alone are benign . The former makes the iron soluble. So it is a synergistic effect.

There are an increasing number of people on here who want to choose products that are least damaging to their soil ecology. Ferric phosphate appears to solve the metaldehyde water issue but promoting it as kinder to non targets is misleading in my view.

A compound that has been used to fortify breakfast cereals, and an acid to preserve food ....we consume them both....just not together!!


Hope your well @B'o'B

 

[foxbox]

Using up stock. They are fine to use on things like spring beans as my drilling spring beans is the cue for heatwaves to start and make the pre-em not work.

The pellets I have been using this autumn (MAUK) are called Carakol 3, but I think they are the same as the Enzo / Gusto 3 but in a different coloured pack. They have been very good. Only thing I don't like so much is I have to take around something to cut open the bags (Dursban bag cutter is the best for this).

Do the Carakol 3's spread with similar settings to the Gusto 3's? Have looked on the MSG calibration chart for a starting point but they're not listed, Gusto is on there though.

We've been using Allure and I'm glad we've finished them, the number of blockages I've had has been ridiculous. Ended up sieving them in to the hopper to catch the lumps

 

[richard hammond]

@rob1 you are correct to use the term allegedly!

at the risk of sounding like a stuck record,

ferric phosphate is harmless to everything.

Ferric phosphate + EDTA is a broad spectrum iron poison

EDTA is not included in toxicity studies as it is considered inert, and doesnt even appear on the label!

Have you a better option for slug control please? within broadacre crops! I am here to learn!!

 

[richard hammond]

Have you a better option for slug control please? within broadacre crops! I am here to learn!!

sorry Shakerator, I miss read your message!

 

[franklin]

Do the Carakol 3's spread with similar settings to the Gusto 3's? Have looked on the MSG calibration chart for a starting point but they're not listed, Gusto is on there though.

We've been using Allure and I'm glad we've finished them, the number of blockages I've had has been ridiculous. Ended up sieving them in to the hopper to catch the lumps

Yes, Enzo / Carakol / Gusto all the same in different bags.

Allure = pants. Found that out a few years back. Enzo et al seem the best for the price. And this year the Carakol are the cheapest. Even though they are all the same.

 

[foxbox]

Yes, Enzo / Carakol / Gusto all the same in different bags.

Allure = pants. Found that out a few years back. Enzo et al seem the best for the price. And this year the Carakol are the cheapest. Even though they are all the same.

I agree, we've not had much slug pressure for a few years so it's taken a long time to work through the pallet. Won't be going back to them now but we've got a huge challenge this year.

 

[Feldspar]

@rob1 you are correct to use the term allegedly!

at the risk of sounding like a stuck record,

ferric phosphate is harmless to everything.

Ferric phosphate + EDTA is a broad spectrum iron poison

EDTA is not included in toxicity studies as it is considered inert, and doesnt even appear on the label!

Just reading @James Hughes' post on a more recent thread here:

Rolling is your first defence. We roll at 90 degrees to line of drilling, and then with line of drilling. At 90 degrees, rolls press into the rows. I believe a 90 degree criss cross pattern prevents slug movement more than 2 passes at shallow angles.

We always put Sluxx on after OSR at 5kg/ha. It does not contain a chelating agent and is therefore minimally toxic to earthworms, but just as good as the best metaldehyde pellet against slugs. Should only need one application if rolled well.

I speak for our farm, heavy ground, high rainfall in west mids. May be different elsewhere.

I had always thought that Sluxx was actually quite toxic due to the interaction between ferric phosphate and EDTA. However, reading the Certis literature it claims that Sluxx HP has no chelating agent in it and is hence highly non toxic to earthworms. If that is so, then it would appear pretty safe. I think it is worth saying that metaldehyde is not as dangerous as a lot of people make out to earthworms. See below.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092913930600031X
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261219408002172

 

[shakerator]

Just reading @James Hughes' post on a more recent thread here:



I had always thought that Sluxx was actually quite toxic due to the interaction between ferric phosphate and EDTA. However, reading the Certis literature it claims that Sluxx HP has no chelating agent in it and is hence highly non toxic to earthworms. If that is so, then it would appear pretty safe. I think it is worth saying that metaldehyde is not as dangerous as a lot of people make out to earthworms. See below.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092913930600031X
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261219408002172

Can’t see that it says no chelating agent, just no EDTA....?

 

[Feldspar]

Can’t see that it says no chelating agent, just no EDTA....?

Yes, good point. Does anyone know what the chelating agent is?

 

[shakerator]

Yes, good point. Does anyone know what the chelating agent is?

Surely there will still be one....
My guess is EDDS

 

[Feldspar]

Surely there will still be one....
My guess is EDDS

I have a very bad memory!!!