Anyone for a Brexit ?

Chrisw

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rob1

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wiltshire
No problems???

Payments for 2013 are materially affected by error. The ECA therefore gives an adverse opinion on their legality
and regularity.
For the statement of assurance, please refer to Chapter 1 of the 2013 annual report.
Page 4 of the report you posted
wonder if they lose 3% of their salary for every error ? Oh silly me what was I thinking:banghead::poop::poop:
 

Brisel

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My first action as benevolent dictator will be to have you shot.


+Lots of authoritarians just like you will cheer on the firing squad.

That all depends on which side of the gun you are :)

I'm not suggesting it as a means of running Britain, Europe or anywhere else, just saying that for the majority they have brought stability.
 

stewart

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Bay of Plenty NZ
We aren't Norway. Or Switzerland. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world. A huge market for German, French and Italian goods. We would have a very good negotiating hand - I can't see BMW and VW and Siemens and Renault and Fiat sitting back and letting their politicians negotiate away one of the only growing markets in Europe. Europe exports more to us than we export to them - the balance is in our favour. There are no rules as to what deal we can get, it would be all down to our negotiating. We need to have a bit of faith in ourselves for once instead of constantly downplaying our strength.

The EU will threaten all manner of retaliation if the UK votes to leave, but if we do they'll fold, because their position is weak. They need our trade more than we need theirs.

And if there are prepared to cut their noses off to spite their faces, are these really the sort of people we want to be involved with anyway? Who wants friends who are nice as long as you do what they say but cut up nasty if you don't?

The total population of the EU is around 500m, with the UK being about 12.5% of that population. With those numbers and having free access to 450m customers on your doorstep I wouldn't be too smug about Europe exporting more to you than you do to them, particularly when many of those exports are by UK based, overseas owned companies. The UK should have enough manufacturing capacity to see those figures reversed, exporting more than they import.

As for their position being weak and the EU needing the UK more than the UK needs Europe, it is the reverse, to redress the trade balance you need to increase sales to the other nations in the EU, you need that trade.

You could of course, as has been suggested, set up trade deals outside the EU. The TPP took 7 years of negotiations and should be signed off this week, if the UK were to tag onto that one after the deal is signed it would not be from a position of strength.
 

Walterp

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Who would have watched us go down if not for Japan making a mistake.
That's not accurate at all - Roosevelt knew that the US had to assist the British Empire, and his Cash and carry and Lend Lease policies both demonstrate this. The US navy was helping us well before Pearl Harbor, and Roosevelt risked his re-election prospects because he felt so strongly.

He, rather than Churchill, deserved to be the ultimate personification of resistance to Nazi aggression.
 

Hilly

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That's not accurate at all - Roosevelt knew that the US had to assist the British Empire, and his Cash and carry and Lend Lease policies both demonstrate this. The US navy was helping us well before Pearl Harbor, and Roosevelt risked his re-election prospects because he felt so strongly.

He, rather than Churchill, deserved to be the ultimate personification of resistance to Nazi aggression.
Well all in the distant past now, America certainly saved us, Thankyou America.
 

Walterp

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Heseltine got up and got it. Famously described by the late Alan Clark as having to buy his own furniture at least he made his own wealth
Michael Heseltine remains a bit of a mystery: I was looking forward to reading his autobiography but I was deeply, deeply, disappointed (even though he was, of course, a Swansea boy).

Even on his own account, he was a chancer who over-borrowed, and deserved to go bust. He nearly did so, narrowly avoiding bankruptcy by negotiating a last-minute bank loan.

Interestingly, he dabbled in early versions of buy to lets and property speculation, being saved by inflation.

I am, looking back, not surprised that he was viewed with suspicion by the Conservative leadership of the time - he was a spiv.
 

Goweresque

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Well all in the distant past now, America certainly saved us, Thankyou America.

To be honest, Stalin saved us.

If Stalin wasn't an AAA grade psychopath, prepared to treat his own people like cattle, to pour them into a meat grinder on the off chance a bone might just jam the mechanism for an hour or two, then Hitler defeats Russia inside a year and a bit, and the majority of the 150 German divisions that were on the Eastern front in June 1944 would be sat in France, with the 60 odd that were already there, waiting for an Allied invasion. The Western Allies never faced more than 80 German divisions, and it was touch and go even then. Give the Wehrmacht another 50 divisions and 1000 tanks, the Luftwaffe another 1000 planes, and the oil flowing freely from the Caucasus to fuel them all, and there is no VE day, regardless of the might of the USA.

The US and British public would not have stood for a quarter of the sort of losses that the Russians endured. Even at the end they were losing men at the same rate as the Germans. Faced with those sort of losses the Allies would have been forced to sue for peace, maybe getting France back with a Nazi sympathetic government, and Hitler in charge of the rest of Europe.

Europe's freedom from Nazism rests on a mountain of Russian skulls.
 

Ashtree

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To be honest, Stalin saved us.

If Stalin wasn't an AAA grade psychopath, prepared to treat his own people like cattle, to pour them into a meat grinder on the off chance a bone might just jam the mechanism for an hour or two, then Hitler defeats Russia inside a year and a bit, and the majority of the 150 German divisions that were on the Eastern front in June 1944 would be sat in France, with the 60 odd that were already there, waiting for an Allied invasion. The Western Allies never faced more than 80 German divisions, and it was touch and go even then. Give the Wehrmacht another 50 divisions and 1000 tanks, the Luftwaffe another 1000 planes, and the oil flowing freely from the Caucasus to fuel them all, and there is no VE day, regardless of the might of the USA.

The US and British public would not have stood for a quarter of the sort of losses that the Russians endured. Even at the end they were losing men at the same rate as the Germans. Faced with those sort of losses the Allies would have been forced to sue for peace, maybe getting France back with a Nazi sympathetic government, and Hitler in charge of the rest of Europe.

Europe's freedom from Nazism rests on a mountain of Russian skulls.

Bang on the money there!
 

JP1

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Michael Heseltine remains a bit of a mystery: I was looking forward to reading his autobiography but I was deeply, deeply, disappointed (even though he was, of course, a Swansea boy).

Even on his own account, he was a chancer who over-borrowed, and deserved to go bust. He nearly did so, narrowly avoiding bankruptcy by negotiating a last-minute bank loan.

Interestingly, he dabbled in early versions of buy to lets and property speculation, being saved by inflation.

I am, looking back, not surprised that he was viewed with suspicion by the Conservative leadership of the time - he was a spiv.
Branson and he had second lives

Haymarket still remains
 

Ley253

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Stalin saved Stalin.Any benefit to the rest of the world was coincidental. Quite a lot of the aid Stalin received was just thrown away, he realised that the more he could weaken the allies, the more of Europe would fall to his armies.Hitler was left alone to destroy Warsaw, so that it would be an easy communist take over . Churchill was more important than Roosevelt, without him, there would have been nowhere for the American forces to jump off from. Once Hitler declared war on America, who was president didnt really matter. And, dont forget we paid for every tank, bullet, and jeep, which made America rich. We also rebuilt German industry in nice new factories, while continuing to use those we had left standing, however old they were.
 

Walterp

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To be honest, Stalin saved us.

If Stalin wasn't an AAA grade psychopath, prepared to treat his own people like cattle, to pour them into a meat grinder on the off chance a bone might just jam the mechanism for an hour or two, then Hitler defeats Russia inside a year and a bit, and the majority of the 150 German divisions that were on the Eastern front in June 1944 would be sat in France, with the 60 odd that were already there, waiting for an Allied invasion.
There never was any danger than Germany would beat Russia - Hitler himself was later to say that, had he known the true extent of Russian military strength (200 divisions in 1941), he would never have invaded.

Just as, in reality, the Japanese were never going to win the war in the East - hence Yamamoto's well-known quote: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

No one said so at the time in a handy quote, but it applied equally to 'Barbarossa'.




 

stewart

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Bay of Plenty NZ
Stalin saved Stalin.Any benefit to the rest of the world was coincidental. Quite a lot of the aid Stalin received was just thrown away, he realised that the more he could weaken the allies, the more of Europe would fall to his armies.Hitler was left alone to destroy Warsaw, so that it would be an easy communist take over . Churchill was more important than Roosevelt, without him, there would have been nowhere for the American forces to jump off from. Once Hitler declared war on America, who was president didnt really matter. And, dont forget we paid for every tank, bullet, and jeep, which made America rich. We also rebuilt German industry in nice new factories, while continuing to use those we had left standing, however old they were.

Marshall Plan aid paid for the re building of German Industry. Why did the UK not do the same with the money they received?
 
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