if you or anyone you know has a piece of land 1000 mts or less from a National grid sub-station and would be interested in hearing about a very profitable joint venture that will create useful extra income for them -feel free to contact me for more information-regards Tony Devlin 07427586821
Anyone with land 1000 mts or less from National grid sub-station?
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Doing it for the kids
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what do you have in mind - ship for many has sailed by now?
Doing it for the kids
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An only assume batter back up concept like every other man and his dog out there!
Princess Pooper
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Been there done that got the t shirt. Approached a year ago - yes we do have land next to a substation on the edge of a town, but the grid needs about a £10m upgrade which ain't gonna happen for about 5 years so no way Jose for storage.
farms with no more than 1000 metres from a sub-station and therefore access the National Grid for standby power generation.
- 5MW generation (diesel) without UPS costs 800k with generating income of 655k pa
- For a 20 MW generation with Ups ( uninterrupted power supply) it can be leased to a farmer at £5.5 million over a 5 year period but generates £6.5 million p.a- call if you need more info-regards Tony
hi David-thanks for getting back-farms with no more than 1000 metres from a sub-station and therefore access the National Grid for standby power generation.
- 5MW generation (diesel) without UPS costs 800k with generating income of 655k pa
- For a 20 MW generation with Ups ( uninterrupted power supply) it can be leased to a farmer at £5.5 million over a 5 year period but generates £6.5 million p.a- call if you need more info-regards Tony
renewablejohn
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- lancs
I thought this diesel generating loophole had been closed.
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publicatio...ayments-embedded-generators-protect-customers
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woodworm
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If not it should be unless its biodiesel
Doing it for the kids
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We had planning and grid for 15 mw that got pulled because of it
hi Turbo-might work -will check up for you-regards Tony
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- Manchester
No, not yet. Currently working on a 50MW diesel generator for STOR. One company offering £233K+ over a two year contract for a 1MW genset. The problems arise with the gird connection costs! But the genset/asset owner can get paid for taking over baseload only - no export grid connection needed, and the gensets have to be in situ and can't placed on site specifically for STOR.
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It's still available. But would be very, very difficult to get the project back on track without the gensets in situ and applying for the grid connection again.
CCGT has some 70% of the Capacity Market T-4 contracts that need fulfilling! That may be an option for such a large grid connection?
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renewablejohn
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Thats just fraud. Ofgem have told the industry they cannot see a role for dirty diesels and still you try and find ways around the loopholes. It really makes me sick that STOR is being abused in this way which then impinges on legitimate peak generation like hydro.
A good strong carbon tax will soon put an end to this nonsense.
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It's not fraud at all. In the T-4 Capacity Market of Dec 2016 some 679MW of diesel received Capacity Agreements for delivery in 2020/21. I don't find the loopholes, the Gov makes the rules, not me. So before you get all bent out of shape, learn about the sector and then take it up with the Gov.
For the record:
A total of 69,777.050MW entered the auction, of which 75.13% (52,425.302MW) provisionally received Capacity Agreements for delivery in 2020/21. Final results will be published on 20 December.
The split was as follows: 22,596MW of CCGT, 4,407MW of CHP, 6,090MW of coal, 711MW of hydro, 7,878MW of nuclear, 819MW of OCGT and reciprocating engines, 679MW of diesel, 2,290MW of gas engines, 3,201MW of storage, 2,342MW of interconnectors, and 1,411MW of demand side response.
As you can see HYDRO did very well out of the Capacity Market auction! So armed with this information please explain to me how Hydro is being impinged on by diesel? Or if you have a hydro system take it up with your PPA provider or aggregator who has enrolled your asset into the CM.
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renewablejohn
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But where not talking Dec 2016 where talking post June 2017 when the rules changed in theory making such schemes unprofitable.
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The Capacity Market auction and subsequent agreements were awarded in Dec 2016/ Jan 2017.
The delivery of the 697MW of generation under the said Capacity Market agreements is to be delivered in 2020/21 some four years after the agreements are made - hence the T-4 reference.
The anomaly with the CM is that in the main, agreements are awarded prior to any assets being secured by the agreement owner, to meet the terms of the agreements. So, the CM agreement holder has to go to market to source the assets after being awarded the CM agreements.
As for the unprofitability of this particular asset: it is split over three main revenue streams - Slow Low Peaking, Triads and CM, giving a total of £116,648 or £233,295 NETT across two years of contract.
My rule of thumb is never to take anything Ofgem states as a given until it actually happens but be ready to act when they do make their minds up.
What is the capacity for your hydro asset and is it earning you what it could/should?