are new tractor over priced

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
I agree with most of what's been said so far. It's impossible to return to 1975. The cab on the Ford 4000 was an awful place to spend the day. The next generation bubble cabs with aircon would be fine for me. Then you run into HP problems. All S/H kit in dealers yards now needs 150hp ( unless you buy cheap Polish / Chinese stuff aimed at the horsey market ). That brings us to TW territory, with crash gearboxes...... so the next step is the 30 series which has a powershift gearbox. Then, bingo we've arrived in complicated, expensive to fix and unreliable territory.
I would love to buy a new tractor for £5k though. Or a £130k tractor would be fine with wheat at £1000/ ton.:love:
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Has anyone heard of any of the tractor brands being up against it financially. They all seem to me to have done very well out of agriculture.
Generally we're all boys with toys and buy what we want not what we need.

err, perhaps in a subsidized market ?

I wouldnt say its the same in the harsh reality of the "real world" economics though . . .
 
Tractors are extremely overpriced at the side of construction machinery that is the only comparison I can realistically make. And there’s more money out of construction work it simply doesn’t make sense.

I agree with most of what's been said so far. It's impossible to return to 1975. The cab on the Ford 4000 was an awful place to spend the day. The next generation bubble cabs with aircon would be fine for me. Then you run into HP problems. All S/H kit in dealers yards now needs 150hp ( unless you buy cheap Polish / Chinese stuff aimed at the horsey market ). That brings us to TW territory, with crash gearboxes...... so the next step is the 30 series which has a powershift gearbox. Then, bingo we've arrived in complicated, expensive to fix and unreliable territory.
I would love to buy a new tractor for £5k though. Or a £130k tractor would be fine with wheat at £1000/ ton.:love:

One model that was epic:

7840 with tb turbo tweaked to 150hp SLE box special model with manual rear arm linkage and no digital dash. Chap I know has 3 with top side of 20k hours on think they were 22k new and then another grand or two for turbo once warranty had ran out. Could have 170hp from the dealer when they fitted these kits but it was a bit much
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Tractors are extremely overpriced at the side of construction machinery that is the only comparison I can realistically make. And there’s more money out of construction work it simply doesn’t make sense.



One model that was epic:

7840 with tb turbo tweaked to 150hp SLE box special model with manual rear arm linkage and no digital dash. Chap I know has 3 with top side of 20k hours on think they were 22k new and then another grand or two for turbo once warranty had ran out. Could have 170hp from the dealer when they fitted these kits but it was a bit much
Yes, we had a new TS115 special. About right really, air con, air seat, L/H leccy shuttle. Would have been even happier had it had a proper PTO lever instead of a leccy switch. £28k.
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Tractors are not overpriced as they keep selling them, numbers may be less so profit of two has to be loaded on one, so they sell less at a bigger margin, there will be a time when a tractor is £1m and wheat £160/tonne.
 

montys

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Livestock Farmer
Location
stoke on trent
to bring old mf 3680 from poland £1000 .yes to alot thats been anded . the cheapest tool on dairy farm is grease gun as we are all ways chaseing our tail 'just doing livestock dutys take most of the day. yes buy arable tractors .any of you got a 180hp tractor for me
 

Hampton

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BASIS
Location
Shropshire
That's what I heard yesterday at a vw garage all cars are mostly on Monthly payments .A top of the range R line golf is now 40k! 😱
When I bought my discovery a few years ago, I paid most on card and some with cash. Took two sales staff three attempts to count the cash right, then they didn’t really know what to do with it and had to do a bank run. It wasn’t a massive amount of cash either, just a couple of grand.
 
Tractor sales will follow the path of cars as fewer buy them outright. We will sell a tractor we own outright and put the new one on finance because of the price difference. When the monthly finance payments become to much the next step is to move to renting one by the hour when we need it.
Keep going for years like this until there's no assets left and everything is rented
I've considered just renting a tractor for harvest and sowing rather than changing our second >150hp tractor.
3/4 weeks and it gets sent back rather than spending the remaining 11 months if the year clocking up a few hundred hrs.
 

Tealo

Member
Location
Ipswich
Tractors are not overpriced as they keep selling them, numbers may be less so profit of two has to be loaded on one, so they sell less at a bigger margin, there will be a time when a tractor is £1m and wheat £160/tonne.

Surely you don't load up the profit of two machines onto one. You half the factory\workforce as your not making so many machines.....
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
Go back to 1976 my farming year zero. On my grandfathers 400 acre farm they grew spring corn, winter corn , peas, 80 acres potatoes had pigs and sheep. There was my Dad, his uncle and three other full timers plus numerous others at potato time etc. There were 4 newish tractors a JCB a crawler and some old majors and a grey fergie and a Clayson 1530. Today it’s all corn or rape one tractor and one part timer can do it all.
 

nick...

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
Just as a matter of interest has anyone with a 6000/7000 or 10 series Deere or similar machine 20 ish years old had one completely overhauled at say 10k hours to return it to as new condition and run it for another 19k hours.im guessing the lads would not want an old tractor that will do the job perfectly ok but prefer a new tractor with all the toys.
nick...
 
. And thinking about house prices in 1975 usually just one family member worked and people were able to buy a house if they wanted now with both husband and wife earning home ownership is a dream for a lot of people.
In 1975 most households would have only had one car, of much more basic specification than today, very few would have a passport let alone take a foreign holiday , eating out would have been a rare treat, and one TV in the front room with none of the plethora of electronic devices that are considered essential to modern living. Strip out all these additional costs of modern life and houses are much more affordable but no one wants to live like that.
 
Just as a matter of interest has anyone with a 6000/7000 or 10 series Deere or similar machine 20 ish years old had one completely overhauled at say 10k hours to return it to as new condition and run it for another 19k hours.im guessing the lads would not want an old tractor that will do the job perfectly ok but prefer a new tractor with all the toys.
nick...

I believe that is a common and increasing practice in the USA.
 

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