Are pure Holsteins coming to an end?

[John1975]

Only the bad farmers keep put Holsteins down

 

[stablegirl]

How are you getting your 825kg rick?

6% fat 4% protein 8,250kg/cow/year?

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Only the bad farmers keep put Holsteins down

I don’t think so. Holsteins do not fit into every farm or farming system.

 

[Llmmm]

More or less, yes. But we do feed for it and only using your Danish genetics ... for which we are truly grateful

I have no doubt you get these yields but what i noticed with high production jerseys is to get these yields there feed has to be very high quality all the time i feel its easier to get these solids from a more robust cow type

 

[Princess Pooper]

I don’t think so. Holsteins do not fit into every farm or farming system.

or farmer

 

[O'Reilly]

Absolutely ........... look at the dash for Jerseys in Scotland and the rise of the Procross among "conventional" AYR boys etc
However we will still have a massive liquid market in the UK but I truly think us farmers are going to have to take long hard looks at where we are in the country, the likely available processors & their wants/needs. No point keeping a breed just because she does 40 litres/day if there is no requirement for that sort of milk. Similarly, if I was farming near Aylesbury, I would be a loony to have Jerseys - although there are bespoke outlets for such milk in the conurbations of the SE

Oh no, several Jersey herds supplying Aylesbury. Because it's Arla, you get paid on solids regardless. Couldn't believe my luck.

 

[som farmer]

liquid milk is homogenised, all the fat is removed, and correct amount returned, blue/green/red top.
So, presumably, the surplus is sold. The higher the constituent value of milk, the cheaper it is to transport, margins on processors, are very slim, therefore higher coms, more return for them.

 

[som farmer]

Absolutely ........... look at the dash for Jerseys in Scotland and the rise of the Procross among "conventional" AYR boys etc
However we will still have a massive liquid market in the UK but I truly think us farmers are going to have to take long hard looks at where we are in the country, the likely available processors & their wants/needs. No point keeping a breed just because she does 40 litres/day if there is no requirement for that sort of milk. Similarly, if I was farming near Aylesbury, I would be a loony to have Jerseys - although there are bespoke outlets for such milk in the conurbations of the SE

any jersey sale, down here in the s west, Scottish buyers are here, the real worry, is that they are buying from a high TB area, some farms have taken years to go clear, good if you are selling, not so good if you farm next to a Scottish jersey farm ! Plenty go to Ireland as well,

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

or farmer

Definitely.

 

[Blue.]

any jersey sale, down here in the s west, Scottish buyers are here, the real worry, is that they are buying from a high TB area, some farms have taken years to go clear, good if you are selling, not so good if you farm next to a Scottish jersey farm ! Plenty go to Ireland as well,

Buying out of Tb hotspots should be banned,how bloody thick are these farmers?

 

[Bald Rick]

I have no doubt you get these yields but what i noticed with high production jerseys is to get these yields there feed has to be very high quality all the time i feel its easier to get these solids from a more robust cow type

Difficult to pick a more robust cow than a Jersey ......... in my opinion of course

 

[som farmer]

Difficult to pick a more robust cow than a Jersey ......... in my opinion of course

well you would be, but there is a lot going for the jerseys. For a start, they are incredibly nosey, which makes them an ideal cow to get going on robots, they actually appear to be quite intelligent, they soon learn to 'pinch' things, or work out where they can get out, they can be incredibly stubborn, when we reared uncles hfrs, we always took a spare jacket - always one or two would not cross the white lines at the junction, cover their head, and shove them over ! which makes them interesting to work with.
The down side, very poor cull value, calves can be worthless, and my big bugbear, is getting them back i/c, for a tight block, and would be interested to hear how other people manage that.

 

[jimmer]

The secret to getting jerseys in a tight block!!!!!!
Squirt the semen in their ear

 

[dinderleat]

Not agin the great big buggers but increasingly I hear talk of a knackered liquid market and dairies asking for more solids to add value to their products

Thoughts?

Had a thought this morning, with the outlook that most processors bringing in a no shoot policy for calves does this not put the use of Jersey cows at a disadvantage?

 

[Bald Rick]

Had a thought this morning, with the outlook that most processors bringing in a no shoot policy for calves does this not put the use of Jersey cows at a disadvantage?

Absolutely.
Sexed is only a short term answer as there is a limit to e en our expansion/replacement.
Beef Xs are not really a great exit either as conformation is compromised but, by golly the meat is tasty.

Needs thinking about. And we are

 

[Llmmm]

Absolutely.
Sexed is only a short term answer as there is a limit to e en our expansion/replacement.
Beef Xs are not really a great exit either as conformation is compromised but, by golly the meat is tasty.

Needs thinking about. And we are

Absolutely.
Sexed is only a short term answer as there is a limit to e en our expansion/replacement.
Beef Xs are not really a great exit either as conformation is compromised but, by golly the meat is tasty.

Needs thinking about. And we are

I heard from a few people that jersey beef is the most tasty never passed much notice however i was talk to a large beef factory owner one day he said it was true shame a market couldnt be got for this beef.

 

[Dead Rabbits]

Absolutely.
Sexed is only a short term answer as there is a limit to e en our expansion/replacement.
Beef Xs are not really a great exit either as conformation is compromised but, by golly the meat is tasty.

Needs thinking about. And we are

Beef embryos, maybe. My semen salesman connection said they are putting 4 herds on a double ovsynch program. Heifers get three chances with dairy semen then to beef embryos after that. Cows get two chances at dairy semen then beef embryo. Then in the future evaluate how many replacements are needed and go straight to beef embryos.

It’s around 18000 cows total they are doing this on so it will be interesting to see how it progresses.

 

[Serup]

Beef embryos, maybe. My semen salesman connection said they are putting 4 herds on a double ovsynch program. Heifers get three chances with dairy semen then to beef embryos after that. Cows get two chances at dairy semen then beef embryo. Then in the future evaluate how many replacements are needed and go straight to beef embryos.

It’s around 18000 cows total they are doing this on so it will be interesting to see how it progresses.

Embryos in cows that didn’t keep the first 2 times sounds expensive?

 

[Dead Rabbits]

Embryos in cows that didn’t keep the first 2 times sounds expensive?

That’s what I thought.

 

[Bald Rick]

Beef embryos, maybe. My semen salesman connection said they are putting 4 herds on a double ovsynch program. Heifers get three chances with dairy semen then to beef embryos after that. Cows get two chances at dairy semen then beef embryo. Then in the future evaluate how many replacements are needed and go straight to beef embryos.

It’s around 18000 cows total they are doing this on so it will be interesting to see how it progresses.

Did some embryo transplant work a few years ago. We were being paid but it was an expensive process with limited success - around 50% holding to term.