Are staffs bull terrier classed as dangerous breed?

Today me and my dog were attacked by staffs bull terrier
Should I report it to police ? Which will be a waste of time... I would get a better result if I reported it to the local cemetery
 

Muddyroads

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Exeter, Devon
It needs reporting in order to allow a picture to build up if it’s a recurring problem. I’ve just had 15 store lambs killed in a dog attack. Don’t expect the police to be able to do anything, but if the 2 lurchers that have recently been spotted roaming free in the area are seen again, the outcome will take a lot less explaining.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Cheshire
ALWAYS report it. They might be useless, (at the moment ours aren’t) but if you don’t tell them they can’t start building stats too isolate the problem. If something big happened and there were no prior complaints the police won’t pay as much attention as if they knew something funny was happening already.
 

Lofty1984

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As an aside anyone else noticed a big increase in dog attacks in the news just the other day a poor 17 month old little girl was killed, is it on the increase what with the mad rush for dogs over lockdown or are the media just reporting more
 

glow worm

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cornwall
Nothing to do with any current news story, but am I the only one who ever wonders how many dog attacks really are because of a particular breed or is it because of how they have been handled previously? None of my dogs have ever bitten me but I'm well aware that should I accidentally step on a tail or try to remove a nice big juicy bone, I only have myself to blame should it react. Just as you're 'aware' if near a fresh calved cow, even if she's your 'pet', reared from birth, that her calf is now all that matters.
 

Dry Rot

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I have been around a lot of dogs for a very long time. Not bragging, that is just fact. Sadly, the best thing anyone who knows about dogs can do is to keep their mouths shut! `But I am going to break the rule.

A dog can be the most perfect soft dozy pet at home but be a rabid killer over the fence. The owner probably won't believe it, but it's fact. Can't be bothered to hunt them out now but I have photos of my GSD, Max, having his tummy tickled and being fed pieces of the ponies' carrots by his best friend, a 17yo girl, and I have video of the same dog attacking a "helper" with all the viciousness and aggression of a properly trained protection dog. That is not unique but depends somewhat on the breed and nature of the dog. Same thing goes for sheep worrying.

There are a lot more facts I could post on here that would probably get me blocked because most simply won't accept them. The ignorance about dogs here in the UK is simply appalling. Most people who know about dogs learnt to keep their mouths shut a long time ago! Folk do not like to be told they are wrong about their "fur babies".
 

Tomo23

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I'm not saying my brother's staffy couldn't one day turn and attack. It's within the nature of all dogs.

But it certainly depends on how an owner treats them as to there everyday behaviour. If somebody goes around like Tommy ten men with a staffy that they rile up at home like 'bricktop' poking it with a stick then it's going to show that behaviour anywhere surely?

My in laws have had to get rid of there 'jackapoo'.
It's only ankle high but has shown tendicies towards being nasty with children since we have had children ourselves.
 
I'm not saying my brother's staffy couldn't one day turn and attack. It's within the nature of all dogs.

But it certainly depends on how an owner treats them as to there everyday behaviour. If somebody goes around like Tommy ten men with a staffy that they rile up at home like 'bricktop' poking it with a stick then it's going to show that behaviour anywhere surely?

My in laws have had to get rid of there 'jackapoo'.
It's only ankle high but has shown tendicies towards being nasty with children since we have had children ourselves.

Heard a lot of these mixed breeds having unintended consquences.

Jack Russells can be unpredictable dogs
 
So as a lot of you know, I’ve got a lot of dogs, and spend my life around a lot of others.

Whilst I accept that you do just get the odd wrong un, nearly all negative behaviours in dogs are taught and ingrained by people. And whilst some breeds may be on the surface more prone to issues a lot of that is down to breeding (not breed), handling etc.

Im a big fan of high drive bull type dogs. Especially Pitt bulls. I don’t personally keep any pure Pitt’s but have had plenty of 1/2 x types and most of the dogs in my kennels / yard have a dose of bull blood in them.

I’ve known dogs that would take great pleasure in absolutely destroying another life form, not give two sh1!s about any punishment they take and be very capable of breaking bones and ripping flesh apart ..... and yet cuddle up with pet lambs, let kids ride round on their back and generally be happy, well adjusted dogs.

I’ve also known dogs that would be spot on with you until their owner gave the command and then they would kill you. They would also kill you if you broke into the yard etc.

I get that people have a fear of certain breeds because of their capacity to inflict harm being so great. But the idea of banned breeds and breed specific legislation is so wrong, it’s like saying we should arrest and kill anyone who is over six foot and got a skim head and tattoos, or any one who is black and has a London accent etc
 

Macsky

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Highland
I don’t entirely buy into the whole ‘it’s not the breed, it’s the owners fault’

some breeds have been bred for decades/centuries to be capably dangerous, strong powerful dogs with massive heads and a powerful bite with massive potential for aggression, these traits are not at all required by pets, and are dangerous.

It’s like saying that a grenade is completely safe……as long as no one pulls the pin!

Nah, grenades and certain dogs are always potentially dangerous, deadly even.

This dog was only bought last week, I’m sure these folk were told it wasn’t dangerous, absolutely tragic


How many border collies are involved in stories like this? None, always a pit bull/staffy etc
 
And how many of those dogs involved in these kind of incidents ...... have a history of being owned by normal, sensible dog owners ? None.

Granted, the capacity for a Pitt bull to inflict damage if it turns, is far greater than a collie. But the idea that they have been bred to be human aggressive just isn’t true. Traditionally bulls that showed aggression to people were culled, fighting dogs are bred to fight equally matched dogs, to be classed as game bred. Many bulls including staffs and English bulls are refered to as nurse dogs, because they were often kept around children and in the family home.

I believe that the most common dogs to get bitten by, include the collie and jack Russel.

Like I said I have dogs here that would flatten a fox, or many other small furries, including deer. And yet you could take meat out of their mouths, they won’t chase a sheep, and if a little kid scowled at them and told them they were naughty, they would belly crawl across the floor and hide on their bed.

Most folk shouldn’t own dogs and certainly not bull breeds etc. There are lots of men with dogs but very few dog men.
 
I don’t entirely buy into the whole ‘it’s not the breed, it’s the owners fault’

some breeds have been bred for decades/centuries to be capably dangerous, strong powerful dogs with massive heads and a powerful bite with massive potential for aggression, these traits are not at all required by pets, and are dangerous.

It’s like saying that a grenade is completely safe……as long as no one pulls the pin!

Nah, grenades and certain dogs are always potentially dangerous, deadly even.

This dog was only bought last week, I’m sure these folk were told it wasn’t dangerous, absolutely tragic


How many border collies are involved in stories like this? None, always a pit bull/staffy etc

To be fair as bad as it is, I have limited sympathy. They bought an adult dog they knew nothing about a week ago, and let it close to a baby to the point where it killed her. That’s just negligent ownership and bad kennel management. Why did you want to buy a dog a week ago when you have a small toddler in the house and why a big bull breed ?
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
Sadly, it is no longer politically correct to put a dog down. I would bet the dog in this incident did something unacceptable in the previous owner's eyes who 'kindly' decided to re-home it when it probably should have been put down. I am told vets will no longer destroy a healthy dog. Can this really be true?

Many dogs will have an aggressive reaction to a rabbit or rat squeak. This is instinct reinforced by experience. That squeak is not so disimilar to the cry of a small child.

As for non-aggressive border collies, I have been bitten more times by that breed than any other.
 

Paddydoyle94

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People who say man biting pit bulls where put down are talking rubbish. China man was a man eater and he wasn't.
Anyone who keeps a bull breed should always abide by 2 rules.
Always carry a break stick and never leave one alone with a kid.
 
People who say man biting pit bulls where put down are talking rubbish. China man was a man eater and he wasn't.
Anyone who keeps a bull breed should always abide by 2 rules.
Always carry a break stick and never leave one alone with a kid.
Agreed, but not all bulls are people aggressive. They are just like any other dogs. Plenty of man biters amongst gsds and they aren’t on the banned breed list.

Agreed on the break stick, I’ve always got something on me. And I’d never leave one with a kid or any dog.
 

Sandpit Farm

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Derbyshire
I was pretty sure the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 banned 4 breeds of dog in the UK due to their dominant characteristics and the challenging nature of being able to keep them. Those are the Tosa Inu, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasilia and the American Pit Bull. The same act is responsible for any breed of dog that acts in an aggressive antisocial manner when in public. A destruction order can be implemented in some cases.

I also don't buy into the 'its not the dog its the owner' mentality. I keep collies, I always have and they are challenging in their own way. They need work, even if they are pets. So if dogs can have traits for everything else, why don't we believe they can have dominant traits and be more likely to be antisocial around other dogs? I find that Staffies are generally the most friendly dogs around people but are very challenging to mix with other dogs because of their nature. I find collies aloof and generally less friendly with other dogs.

The challenge is that many of the people drawn to these more dominant breeds tend to be people that value that as a characteristic and don't properly socialise those animals so you end up with a dog that will never be happy around company - it all contributes to their reputation unfortunately. I love Staffies but I wouldn't want one I'm afraid.
 

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On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

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