Are you ready for Brexit

[bobk]

vote of confidence can happen anytime

He's got 14 days afterwards , have you been asleep

 

[spin cycle]

He's got 14 days afterwards , have you been asleep

might have .....where does this 14 days come from?

 

[bobk]

might have .....where does this 14 days come from?

Them are the rules , any it won't be called

 

[spin cycle]

Them are the rules , any it won't be called

what rules?

 

[bobk]

what rules?

Go and have a chat with @jendan , I'm losing the will to live

 

[spin cycle]

Go and have a chat with @jendan , I'm losing the will to live

or you could quote what @jendan said

losing the will to live is one thing but a quick look at wikki states 'monc' can be put anytime....even if one is defeated a different proposer can put one foward again straight away.....and 3 days ago snp were trying to muster support for one

my contention is that IF the deal is defeated and IF a brexit extension is refused opposition parties COULD oust boris....install an interim government + PM and revoke article 50 to avoid a no deal brexit

the only mention i can find of 14 days is that following a goverment loosing a confidence motion...opposition have the opportunity to form and win a confidence vote WITHIN 14 days....thus it could be shorter

 

[farmerm]

oh yes there is....boris looses no confidence vote.....interim govt can be in place in days....article 50 can be revoked at last minute

As I understand it, if Borris were to loose a no confidence vote he could still refuse to resign? Would the Queen sack her Prime minister or order to facility a unitity government? Would our none political monarch make a political decisions to put in place a government with the sole purpose of revoking article 50, something at odds with the decision of her people in the EU referendum? At this point surely it has to be the Borris deal or no deal. Maybe just maybe there is a light at the end of this nightmare tunnel.

 

[spin cycle]

As I understand it, if Borris were to loose a no confidence vote he could still refuse to resign? Would the Queen sack her Prime minister or order to facility a unitity government? Would our none political monarch make a political decisions to put in place a government with the sole purpose of revoking article 50, something at odds with the decision of her people in the EU referendum? At this point surely it has to be the Borris deal or no deal. Maybe just maybe there is a light at the end of this nightmare tunnel.

right first off...if i'm wrong i'm happy to put my hands up....i've learnt .....it's no ego thing

BUT...wikki states if a government looses a confidence motion it MUST resign or call an election....now the fixed term parliament act IIRC needs 2/3 mps to back an election so the opposition parties can vote down an election...they must then form a govt + win a confidence motion WITHIN 14 days

 

[farmerm]

or you could quote what @jendan said

losing the will to live is one thing but a quick look at wikki states 'monc' can be put anytime....even if one is defeated a different proposer can put one foward again straight away.....and 3 days ago snp were trying to muster support for one

my contention is that IF the deal is defeated and IF a brexit extension is refused opposition parties COULD oust boris....install an interim government + PM and revoke article 50 to avoid a no deal brexit

the only mention i can find of 14 days is that following a goverment loosing a confidence motion...opposition have the opportunity to form and win a confidence vote WITHIN 14 days....thus it could be shorter

There is another possible

right first off...if i'm wrong i'm happy to put my hands up....i've learnt .....it's no ego thing

BUT...wikki states if a government looses a confidence motion it MUST resign or call an election....now the fixed term parliament act IIRC needs 2/3 mps to back an election so the opposition parties can vote down an election...they must then form a govt + win a confidence motion WITHIN 14 days

I am no solicitor so I am only putting up what I found in a various online articles..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46890481 Would the Prime minister have to resign? "... there is nothing clearly stated in law that says the prime minister must do so. " so "must" seems to be a relative term with little consequence if a standing PM chooses to ignore it.

As I understand it, if Borris looses a no confidence vote and doesn't resign it appears he could hold the position for 14 days or until the Queen sacks him or someone can find a way to eject him though the courts.

The ERG may also have another escape trick to ensure we leave on 31st Oct even after a no-confidence vote... they could play pass the parcel with the party leadership, the PM can pass the leadership to another willing member of the conservative party in order for them to form a new government, obvious a new confidence vote would be called straight away, obviously the new leader would loose it but they would pass the leadership on again and the game continues... there are something like 50 members of the ERG... it would be a total farce but how many prime ministers can be voted out in 14 days? Again it would take the Queen or the courts to break this chain and allow a unity government into office before the end of the month...

 

[spin cycle]

There is another possible


I am no solicitor so I am only putting up what I found in a various online articles..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46890481 Would the Prime minister have to resign? "... there is nothing clearly stated in law that says the prime minister must do so. " so "must" seems to be a relative term with little consequence if a standing PM chooses to ignore it.

As I understand it, if Borris looses a no confidence vote and doesn't resign it appears he could hold the position for 14 days or until the Queen sacks him or someone can find a way to eject him though the courts.

The ERG may also have another escape trick to ensure we leave on 31st Oct even after a no-confidence vote... they could play pass the parcel with the party leadership, the PM can pass the leadership to another willing member of the conservative party in order for them to form a new government, obvious a new confidence vote would be called straight away, obviously the new leader would loose it but they would pass the leadership on again and the game continues... there are something like 50 members of the ERG... it would be a total farce but how many prime ministers can be voted out in 14 days? Again it would take the Queen or the courts to break this chain and allow a unity government into office before the end of the month...

i'm not talking about a monc agin the PM.....more a monc in the 'government'

 

[farmerm]

i'm not talking about a monc agin the PM.....more a monc in the 'government'

My source....

The (Not So) Fixed-term Parliaments Act | Institute for Government

Dr Catherine Haddon explains that the implications of the FTPA remain little understood.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

"Assuming our hard-pressed PM dismisses this option, they would have one further way out. Because under our constitution the powers of government are vested in the Prime Minister, they could simply hand over the leadership to a party colleague – creating a new government that could have another go at winning a vote of confidence. This would technically meet the Act’s requirements; and our political history is full of different PMs of the same party forming new governments of slightly different composition. Ultimately, it would be up to the House to decide by voting their confidence. But again, the Sovereign would be put in a difficult position, as the Queen would have to appoint the new PM before they could put forward a new confidence motion."

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Boris has achieved everything he has set out to achieve so far . He says hes going to get the vote passed so lets see
We
May get our cake and eat it after all , i hope remainers dont choke on it

 

[spin cycle]

My source....

The (Not So) Fixed-term Parliaments Act | Institute for Government

Dr Catherine Haddon explains that the implications of the FTPA remain little understood.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

"Assuming our hard-pressed PM dismisses this option, they would have one further way out. Because under our constitution the powers of government are vested in the Prime Minister, they could simply hand over the leadership to a party colleague – creating a new government that could have another go at winning a vote of confidence. This would technically meet the Act’s requirements; and our political history is full of different PMs of the same party forming new governments of slightly different composition. Ultimately, it would be up to the House to decide by voting their confidence. But again, the Sovereign would be put in a difficult position, as the Queen would have to appoint the new PM before they could put forward a new confidence motion."

ah now i see....i'm on the same site but on another bit....feck me thats complicated......the FTPA has changed things a fair bit...live and learn

 

[spin cycle]

Boris has achieved everything he has set out to achieve so far . He says hes going to get the vote passed so lets see
We
May get our cake and eat it after all , i hope remainers dont choke on it

unless farage says we've left we've not left.......better to remain than this fudge up

 

[Against_the_grain]

So as I see it for farming we will stay in the cap until Dec 2020 possibly up to dec 2022.
No free trade agreement atm so wto rules until this is agreed in July 2020 possibly? Might be wrong....who knows...

 

[gone up the hill]

Remainers on here are living in cloud cuckoo land!

If a unity government were formed it certainly has NO mandate to revoke article 50.

The most a unity government could do is ask the EU for an extension and call a GE.

Thou of course Labour etc wont back the deal and wont support a GE because if there is a GE labour are finished!

But the more Labour stall/ try and delay brexit the more labour supporters are turning to either the Lib Dems and the Brexit party ( depending which area they live in )

 

[farmerm]

So as I see it for farming we will stay in the cap until Dec 2020 possibly up to dec 2022.
No free trade agreement atm so wto rules until this is agreed in July 2020 possibly? Might be wrong....who knows...

As I read it the deal includes a transition period until Dec 2020 so until then the current free trade arrangement remain as it now are and we do not go WTO in 2 weeks time. that has to be a good thing!

 

[fgc325j]

Just because she couldn't get a brexit deal through Parliament? I think not. Who got us into this mess in the first place? Oh yes, he's kept a very low profile since, apart from to publicise his book hasn't he. Cameron of course, with Farage and Boris's help.

Jeez ! - Desperate Dan and Buffalo Bill - i plead guilty- i had completely forgotten about them .

 

[farmerm]

Remainers on here are living in cloud cuckoo land!

If a unity government were formed it certainly has NO mandate to revoke article 50.

The most a unity government could do is ask the EU for an extension and call a GE.

Thou of course Labour etc wont back the deal and wont support a GE because if there is a GE labour are finished!

But the more Labour stall/ try and delay brexit the more labour supporters are turning to either the Lib Dems and the Brexit party ( depending which area they live in )

If the EU refuse an extension a unity Gov would see no option but to revoke, mandate or not. But at this point there is not a clear route to from a unity Gov unless the Queen is willing to sack Borris knowing that in doing so she is putting in place a Government intent on a revocation of article 50, against the vote of the referendum. I will take this deal over Mays deal and over no deal.

 

[ollie989898]

Unity government to remove the PM?

And who exactly will they decide would be the caretaker PM? Corbyn?

The way I see it gentlemen we need a general election and we will see everyone's cards for what they are then.