Are you ready for Brexit

Muck Spreader

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The difference is we have a free trade deal now so it only needs rubber stamping, remember they sell a lot more to us so its in their interest to get it sorted, and before you say they sell less than proportionately to us, that would only be an issue if it worked on a countrywide basis but its not, its indivdual companies that will lose out such as Merc/BWM and French farmers, we dont sell much food to the French but they sell lots to us and tariffs will hit them hard, they will be keen to do a deal, of course the politicians might get in the way
You don't have anything of the sort. BoJo is currently trying to get a withdrawal agreement that is acceptable to the UK Parliament. We are many years away from any FT agreement with the EU. What has been agreed are the protocols that NI will have to work with in the future. Interestingly the French politicos are seeing this political declaration as a lot softer than TM's and closer to a Norway option, which is why they are surprised and pleased.
 

Muck Spreader

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I would suggest everyone is just doing their bit to help boris get it through tomorrow...
Reading the latest withdraw proposal in detail, I think BoJo may have played a blinder. Whilst the withdrawal agreement is more or less unchanged with the exception of the Backstop. The political declaration has changed quite a bit bringing the UK close to a Norway style solution, but retaining sovereignty, immigration controls and the ability to pursue FTD. So whilst not as good as the current situation, it could well be a workable compromise that moderates on all sides can buy into. But only IF BoJo can be trusted not to renege at some later date. :scratchhead:
 

Y Fan Wen

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N W Snowdonia
Johnson's deal: The reality of what is being proposed:
'We are about to sabotage our relationship with the most successful economic project in the modern world. It is the biggest decision we'll take in our lifetime and one which, if we do it, we'll regret for a long time to come. It's worth mentioning that - the actual reality of what is happening - at least one more time before MPs vote tomorrow.'
 

farmerm

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Shropshire
Johnson's deal: The reality of what is being proposed:
'We are about to sabotage our relationship with the most successful economic project in the modern world. It is the biggest decision we'll take in our lifetime and one which, if we do it, we'll regret for a long time to come. It's worth mentioning that - the actual reality of what is happening - at least one more time before MPs vote tomorrow.'
That act of sabotage was set in motion when Leave won the referendum. At least what is now on the table is IMO the least damaging option to enable us all to move forward. Despite my reservations in us leaving, I will let out a sigh of relief if BoJo can somehow scrape this deal though parliment.
 

Henarar

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Reading the latest withdraw proposal in detail, I think BoJo may have played a blinder. Whilst the withdrawal agreement is more or less unchanged with the exception of the Backstop. The political declaration has changed quite a bit bringing the UK close to a Norway style solution, but retaining sovereignty, immigration controls and the ability to pursue FTD. So whilst not as good as the current situation, it could well be a workable compromise that moderates on all sides can buy into. But only IF BoJo can be trusted not to renege at some later date. :scratchhead:
My goodness you actually managed to sound positive, congratulations (y)(y)
 
Johnson's deal: The reality of what is being proposed:
'We are about to sabotage our relationship with the most successful economic project in the modern world. It is the biggest decision we'll take in our lifetime and one which, if we do it, we'll regret for a long time to come. It's worth mentioning that - the actual reality of what is happening - at least one more time before MPs vote tomorrow.'
that's as may be. but we live in a democracy, we had a clear vote, in or out, the result was out, therefore, according to our normal 'rules' we should come out, at the last election, parties said they would honour that result. Whether you agree, or disagree, that is irrelevant, the result should stand. For those that complain they were misled, in every election/referendum all parties promise things, that never happen, and anyone saying that voters were misled/lied to, for the referendum, are insulting my intelligence, as well as several million others. If you, as presumably on the remain side, had won the argument, I am damn certain you would be quoting the same remarks, as above. The other main point to arise from the whole sordid affair, is that mp's, are disagreeing with a free vote, and as a basic princible, that is not democratic, especially if their view is different from their constituents, because, as I understand it, they have been elected to represent those electors.
And, I have not said which way I voted, because the same remarks, apply for both sides.
 

rob1

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wiltshire
Johnson's deal: The reality of what is being proposed:
'We are about to sabotage our relationship with the most successful economic project in the modern world. It is the biggest decision we'll take in our lifetime and one which, if we do it, we'll regret for a long time to come. It's worth mentioning that - the actual reality of what is happening - at least one more time before MPs vote tomorrow.'
Would that be the economic success of Greece, Italy and Spain, bet all those citizens of those countries that have had ten years of unemployment and misery dont agree with that statement
 

rob1

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wiltshire
You don't have anything of the sort. BoJo is currently trying to get a withdrawal agreement that is acceptable to the UK Parliament. We are many years away from any FT agreement with the EU. What has been agreed are the protocols that NI will have to work with in the future. Interestingly the French politicos are seeing this political declaration as a lot softer than TM's and closer to a Norway option, which is why they are surprised and pleased.
Last time I looked we can buy and sell anything to and from the EU. works okish, the only trouble is its tied up in political rubbish of free movement and headlong rush to a super state. The two things only need to be coupled because of politics, its not like either side wants extra access to the others markets which might have an impact, Have never seen anyone say why trade cant carry on as it is now EXCEPT for political reasons, well when the likes of those I mentioned start losing sales here they will apply pressure, while the boss of Merc said the political project was more important than his company he has to answer to shareholders and has workers on his board, both of those might start to kick him when their income drops and their jobs are on the line
 

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