Are you ready for Brexit

[bobk]

No, it’s just a useful infographic produced by them, which illustrates the actual tariffs confirmed by ‘our’ leaders in Westminster. Those rates are facts, not made up to suit any agenda.

Of course, ostriches may feel free to ignore such details, and shout ‘project fear’ from the rooftops, again.?

Project fear was my next post .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Part of me wishes that we would just jump out with no deal just to see these ostriches in financial distress and just to see who or what they would then blame.

We would blame you for not warning us !

 

[rob1]

Because N. Irish milk will flood the UK for one. All exports will be subject to a massive tariff and this particular dairy more than most, relies on exports. Imports are, according to the tariff documents published so far, subject to relatively little tariff.
What tags are these? I've been way for a few days. Not going back to historic posts as there are not enough hours in a day.

Cant remember what thread they were on now but I did notice you replied to the thread after I posted mine, however my point was and is while milk may or may not flood in from Ireland it does so tariff free now so there is no difference EXCEPT of course the pound is down around 15% the last time I looked so that has made imports dearer and exports easier to sell, which company is the one you mention? you said it is one of the big ones

 

[Cowabunga]

Cant remember what thread they were on now but I did notice you replied to the thread after I posted mine, however my point was and is while milk may or may not flood in from Ireland it does so tariff free now so there is no difference EXCEPT of course the pound is down around 15% the last time I looked so that has made imports dearer and exports easier to sell, which company is the one you mention? you said it is one of the big ones

There is no capacity to process the milk likely to come from N Ireland which will itself come because of export tariffs on exporting to the republic to the processing plants.
It is likely to devastate UK farmgate milk price.

That you have repeatedly been warned about the probable effects of a no-deal brexit by those with UK farming's best interest at heart, only to believe the rose tinted bullshitters is foolish in the extreme and it is because of your type's persistent and willful avoidance of reality that a part of me really does now wish for a no-deal brexit so I could really gloat at your discomfort and rub your noses hard in the shite that you have willed upon us.

 

[digger64]

There is no capacity to process the milk likely to come from N Ireland which will itself come because of export tariffs on exporting to the republic to the processing plants.
It is likely to devastate UK farmgate milk price.

That you have repeatedly been warned about the probable effects of a no-deal brexit by those with UK farming's best interest at heart, only to believe the rose tinted bullshitters is foolish in the extreme and it is because of your type's persistent and willful avoidance of reality that a part of me really does now wish for a no-deal brexit so I could really gloat at your discomfort and rub your noses hard in the shite that you have willed upon us.

Why has this situation re processing capacity (not just dairy ) occurred ?, why is it not viable to process milk in N Ireland ?
I expect there is a lot of milk produced and exported in Ireland why would they want UK milk ? How do we as an industry expect not to be held to ransom price wise if we have exported our processing capacity and have to haul stuff around backwards and forwards internationally to get it to the consumer (- these costs are passed back to the ex farm price as you have pointed out ) ?
He we are in a densely populated urban country and unable to make it work as whole , anyone would think listening to you we are like farmers in Manitoba 250 miles from the nearest railside grain elevator never mind a port , are you sure that the present system is really the best long term plan ?

 

[spin cycle]

here's a new twist....section 55 of the taxation (cross border trade) act 2018....states 'it shall be unlawful for HMG to enter into arrangements under which NI forms part of a separate customs territory to GB'

so TM's deal was illegal.....boris' will probably be illegal... so only brexit we can have is one where we stay in customs union ?.....unless law repealed?

 

[Cowabunga]

Why has this situation re processing capacity (not just dairy ) occurred ?, why is it not viable to process milk in N Ireland ?
are you sure that the present system is really the best long term plan ?

WTF are you asking these of me for? I'm not the processor. I'm commenting on the way things are, not on some Utopian fantasy.

 

[essexpete]

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I know the reasons are because of brexit and I realise they could be lower in the future, so yeah, I'll take this

I do wonder if think there should be some sort of IQ test to become an MP, our elected MP's should be the people that are trusted and capability of running the country in the best interests of all...

I hope to be proven wrong but all the evidence leads me to the conclusion that Brexit, especially the current no EU deal, free trade with the world offering, will be highly damaging to UK farmers. Clive can you tell us what potential upshots leaving the EU offers to UK farmers? I keep asking the question but the other leave farmers on the forum have so far offered us nothing other than faith and fairies or the frustratingly naïve "well it cant be any worse"!

Propably MPs do, on the whole, have above average IQ levels. What some, or perhaps many, lack is plain old common sense.

 

[Cowabunga]

here's a new twist....section 55 of the taxation (cross border trade) act 2018....states 'it shall be unlawful for HMG to enter into arrangements under which NI forms part of a separate customs territory to GB'

so TM's deal was illegal.....boris' will probably be illegal... so only brexit we can have is one where we stay in customs union ?.....unless law repealed?

This is quite unworkable. Not because it is impossible to repeal that act but because he could never get it agreed in Parliament, partly due to his own party's right wing, but also the DUP and the opposition combined.
This is all bluster to circumvent the Benn Act that forces him to send a letter asking for an extension unless a vote was taken. Boris still wants us to be ruined by a no-deal brexit. The deal he has thus far described is actually far inferior to the one T May offered and which he and Mogg rejected out of hand.

 

[essexpete]

I'm learning to play the bagpipes.

TF you are from Crapweathershire and not Bodyburyland.

 

[ollie989898]

It will be no deal because ultimately Corbyn and the hard-liners in Labour actually want out. Any deal will still have to make it through parliament and they all categorically killed May's 'deal' three times over.

The Conservatives do not have a strong enough government or working majority to make it stick. Come out on no-deal and have a general election and we will see who has to pay the piper at the ballot box.

 

[ford4000]

This is quite unworkable. Not because it is impossible to repeal that act but because he could never get it agreed in Parliament, partly due to his own party's right wing, but also the DUP and the opposition combined.
This is all bluster to circumvent the Benn Act that forces him to send a letter asking for an extension unless a vote was taken. Boris still wants us to be ruined by a no-deal brexit. The deal he has thus far described is actually far inferior to the one T May offered and which he and Mogg rejected out of hand.

There's a court challenge being crowd funded on this matter at the moment..... Ironic if an amendment by the ERG /Jacob Rees Mogg prevents us from leaving

 

[digger64]

WTF are you asking these of me for? I'm not the processor. I'm commenting on the way things are, not on some Utopian fantasy.

You obviously aren't quite absorbing it , it's known as a
loaded question , which as you have already demonstrated , you will avoid the answer or not answer at all , it's not a fantasy it's how weak things have got re marketing in the Uk ag today . As you say commenting on the way things are !

 

[daithi]

It has occurred because since the GFA and ROI and NI both being in the single market and customs union it has evolved into an all island economy.
I think 30% of the milk produced in NI is processed in the republic. An example given is Bailey's where the milk crosses the border several times before it is made into the finished product

 

[spin cycle]

This is quite unworkable. Not because it is impossible to repeal that act but because he could never get it agreed in Parliament, partly due to his own party's right wing, but also the DUP and the opposition combined.
This is all bluster to circumvent the Benn Act that forces him to send a letter asking for an extension unless a vote was taken. Boris still wants us to be ruined by a no-deal brexit. The deal he has thus far described is actually far inferior to the one T May offered and which he and Mogg rejected out of hand.

actually i was wrong....the only brexits we can have if the law is obeyed are.as i said. customs union but the other of course is no deal brexit

boris' only cares about his own political 'skin' at mo

painful as it is for me as 'leave' voter i must admit i didn't realise the problems it'd cause in ireland....we can't go back to the 'troubles'.....i've to turn my coat

 

[spin cycle]

It will be no deal because ultimately Corbyn and the hard-liners in Labour actually want out. Any deal will still have to make it through parliament and they all categorically killed May's 'deal' three times over.

The Conservatives do not have a strong enough government or working majority to make it stick. Come out on no-deal and have a general election and we will see who has to pay the piper at the ballot box.

....corbyn has stated he wants a brexit where whole of GB stays in customs union....we need a referendum i think....straight fight....no deal v remain

 

[som farmer]

well, if they put the milk down to 16p, they will need the irish milk to keep in business,cos there will be bugg#r all English milk.

 

[ollie989898]

....corbyn has stated he wants a brexit where whole of GB stays in customs union....we need a referendum i think....straight fight....no deal v remain

Corbyn has been saying the same thing again and again and again. He is the biggest leave voter there is. He has played his hand very very well and largely said nothing about anything.

 

[ollie989898]

well, if they put the milk down to 16p, they will need the irish milk to keep in business,cos there will be bugg#r all English milk.

It is so typical of the dairies to come out with the usual line about milk prices. It's their get out of jail card. What need have they for marketing, business plans or any kind of actual strategy, if they can't make money they just smash the milk price. It is high time the dairy industry had long term contracts where the price of milk supplied was fixed for the duration, not this you are contracted to us but we can change the price however we like nonsense.

 

[spin cycle]

Corbyn has been saying the same thing again and again and again. He is the biggest leave voter there is. He has played his hand very very well and largely said nothing about anything.

do you think so ....i reckon he's in quite a tough fix.....trying to keep leavers up north on board while the majority bay for remain....he's already conceded 'confirmatory referendum'