Arrogant Brits...

alex04w

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
Do we actually get to vote for our prime minister, chancellor, secretary of state, or for that matter any cabinet members for that matter.....no we don't.

In the UK the prime minister, chancellor, etc must first be elected to parliament on a party manifesto. Once so elected, the party can then appoint them to office to carry out the will of the people.

European commissioners are not elected to the European parliament, do not have a manifesto and do not carry out the will of the people.

It is largely because of the last point that so many across the whole of Europe do not like the EU - the commission has its own agenda and it is not the will of the people.
 

hang-on

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Location
Co Armagh.
This is as good a post as I've seen about this whole thing.

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You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.

You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.

You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.

You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).

You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.

You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).

The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.

Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.

Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.

You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.

You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.

You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!

You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British or Northern Irish people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future.

This is what everyone needs to know.
 
Way to go fudge tarts... So much arrogance, thinking your country is stronger than it actually is. Good job...give it a few months and the enemy could tries will be waltzing in. The people who voted to exit are the same type of people who voted for Trump in the US. Now can you imagine if Trump gets voted in? With you idiots fudgeing up everything and then Trump being elected...the world is fudgeed...good job you idiots with bad teeth...fudge me....
Fancy another war?
 
But whatever the Commissioners suggest it has to be ratified by the MEPs who are elected on a truly democratic PR (STV) system !
I think the whole problem is that the sh!t from Europe is just the same as the sh!t from the UK but x28.
If you look at the UK governance then the ability of a government to function depends on the size of it's majority but also the length of time to the next election.
Small majorities produce weak governments that will not take unpopular decisions that need taking. Nor will a government take these decisions near to an election. So in effect there is perhaps effective government for five out of every ten years.
Now Europe being 28 nations each with this problem is it any wonder that they are paralysed and can only make pretty minor decisions quickly. Witness the EU response to the Ukraine crisis the US can respond overnight but the EU must consider the view of 28 governments in various stages of their own election cycles.
It is a dinosaur that can only function with political unity thus the push for a single European state.
Now look at the possibility of uniting 28 states and you will realise that it will take one or two very strong states to dominate to make it happen. This will breed resentment so eventually it will fail.
No the European dream is just that a dream with no chance of happening so why stay and play the game?
I think history will judge this as the moment that someone noticed that the emperor has no clothes.
 

kneedeep

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Location
S W Lancashire
It's unfortunate to think that in such a serious referendum that such a small margin was allowed to pass for a vote to leave ,at the end of the day nearly half of the voting population wanted to stay in Europe.It would seem that maybe a vote of 60% should have been needed!just an observation,it now looks like a divided nation.
It was a divided nation before the vote too.

The referendum gave EVERYBODY an EQUAL say in't job.

There were no Ifs, Buts , or Maybes, on the ballot paper (surprisingly enough) it was IN or OUT.

A million more , of, the significantly larger than expected , voting population voted OUT.

I won't patronise our UNELECTED European, lawmakers and political classes, but , given the chance on Thursday , THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTING ELECTORATE cast their vote.

We call that

DEMOCRACY
over here.
Maybe, when exercised, in France and Germany in the next six months, the pesky electorate there, might just surprise
' those who know best ' too.
 
The referendum gave EVERYBODY an EQUAL say in't job.

There were no Ifs, Buts , or Maybes, on the ballot paper (surprisingly enough) it was IN or OUT.

A million more , of, the significantly larger than expected , voting population voted OUT.

Maybe, when exercised, in France and Germany in the next six months, the pesky electorate there, might just surprise
' those who know best ' too.



There seems to be a section of the "Leave" voters who used there vote as a "protest" vote never expecting the result to count !!

I wonder how many "Remain" voters have this level of intellect

 

bovrill

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Mixed Farmer
Location
East Essexshire
There seems to be a section of the "Leave" voters who used there vote as a "protest" vote never expecting the result to count !!

I wonder how many "Remain" voters have this level of intellect

It could be that she's really that thick, and the boyfriend is exploiting her for a YouTube career, but having seen others of their videos, I rather suspect that the pair of them have a very good comedy routine going!
 

Ley253

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Location
Bath
See what you did there.
I don't understand why Boris was saying last night that now we can make outr own laws and set our taxes.
We always have been able to alter tax rates and make laws without the EU's say so.
Ans this notion that we will repeal the human rights act is interesting, one thing our parliament is not good at is repealing laws.
My guess is that little will change and instead of blaming the fact that we are in Europe, the next crop of leaders will blame nasty Europe for the deal when we left.
We can indeed make laws. Its getting them approved by Brussels thats hard! And every law has to be approved, or we are soon instructed to change it
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Hmm...fudge tart, interesting....

Yesterday was a clear case of careful what you wish for.... I voted to remain because that meant there was always an option to leave still open. But the people voted Leave and, as a democracy, that's how it is. Just made me sad to see all the Great Britain flags appearing in,ine everywhere from the Leavers. Make the most of it because in ten years, it won't be the UK anymore - Scotland will be gone and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Northern Ireland doesn't opt out too. Don't know about Wales - but basically, Little England here we come! We'll just all have to make the best of it but I can see many young people will leave while they can - I now wonder if my own son and his little family might not decide to exit and I can't blame them if they do. An action that will replicated far more now.

I'm disappointed Cameron hasn't got the guts to see the transition out, leaving gates wide open for Boris. Who, if you remember, at the beginning of the process when he became the most prominent Leaver, said it was nothing to do with a leadership bid. Another lying barsteward as anyone with half a brain could see it was - at least he should have had the guts to admit it! There'll be a matching pair in power, Trump and Johnson - what an appalling thought.

However, always a silver lining, I made a killing on the $:£ exchange yesterday afternoon for my company !
Why do all you family people believe that your children will be better off under a foreign government?
 
Its a spoof vid they have a few vids on something to do with a pizza cut into 8 or 12 bits , its wind up.

It could be that she's really that thick, and the boyfriend is exploiting her for a YouTube career, but having seen others of their videos, I rather suspect that the pair of them have a very good comedy routine going!

That is what I hoped. but having heard some of the comments in the Tesco ckeckout queue this morning I am not so sure.

Is this a spoof as well ?

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024634/brexit-supporters-regret-vote
 

Pint

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Location
East Sussex
Way to go fudge tarts... So much arrogance, thinking your country is stronger than it actually is. Good job...give it a few months and the enemy could tries will be waltzing in. The people who voted to exit are the same type of people who voted for Trump in the US. Now can you imagine if Trump gets voted in? With you idiots fudgeing up everything and then Trump being elected...the world is fudgeed...good job you idiots with bad teeth...fudge me....
Bye bye sonny. That's life deal with it(y)
 

Wheatonrotty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
MK43
So what if the younger generation voted in and the older people tended more to out. Do people really think that parents and grandparents will not have considered their children and grandchildren's futures before they voted? I have two 17yr olds and over the last month or so we have talked a fair bit about it. As a parent my main concern is their future as I'm sure it is for most parents.
Why do we in this country have no respect for lessons people have learned over a lifetime and would rather go with what a group of students has learned from scaremongering on the Internet.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 78 42.9%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 63 34.6%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.5%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 5 2.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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