As doomed as Arthur Scargill.

[Treg]

So a lot say but it doesn’t work dose it.

That's because we live in a blame culture, "my kids turned into a thug , it's not my fault it's the schools, their mates, to many e numbers "

 

[Hilly]

That's because we live in a blame culture, "my kids turned into a thug , it's not my fault it's the schools, their mates, to many e numbers "

Big part of the problem for sure.

 

[balerman]

We have big problem that seems to be gathering momentum all the time,there was a very well put together piece defending UK Dairy farming on Facebook this morning.Almost all the comments were horiffic and abusive towards farmers.To us it is obvious we are not the problem but part of the solution,but the message simply is not getting across.

 

[DrWazzock]

I wouldn't advocate a return to physical punishment but there needs to be something like a contract with the parents. If you misbehave you get told to find another school, sent home or to an institute of some sort more able to deal with you. At the moment the kids can do no wrong and everything is the teachers fault. It needs to be a two way process otherwise we are just writing people blank cheques. The system will breakdown soon anyway at the lower levels. They just won't be able to find teachers who will face them. Education is already letting down less able kids who do want to learn for this reason. Nobody dare say it though.

 

[Hilly]

I wouldn't advocate a return to physical punishment but there needs to be something like a contract with the parents. If you misbehave you get told to find another school, sent home or to an institute of some sort more able to deal with you. At the moment the kids can do no wrong and everything is the teachers fault. It needs to be a two way process otherwise we are just writing people blank cheques. The system will breakdown soon anyway at the lower levels. They just won't be able to find teachers who will face them. Education is already letting down less able kids who do want to learn for this reason. Nobody dare say it though.

Sending them home is no good that’s what they want ! , the army manage to keep discipline, need hints n tips off them, these wishy washy broken down old hippy type teachers are good for nothing they are part of the problem as well , need old fashioned Sargent major types, sit down shut up and listen or else.

 

[Homesy]

Some things never change.
"The children now love luxury.They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise"

Plato 469-399 B.C.

 

[Hilly]

They are led to believe in university and that uni will get them the job they want, it’s lies they are led up the garden path and into debt.

 

[czechmate]

At "average" city state sector schools here in Lincoln where a friend has just resigned it is now taking senior management of the school 20 minutes just to get the kids to sit in their seats. That's before any teaching can begin. Then they wonder why results are so poor and why they can't get anybody to teach them. Makes me wonder how long this can go on for. There doesn't seem to be a "liberal" solution. Even at the school where my wife teaches, there are 2 or 3 in every class intent on disruption who ruin it for the others. I'd send them home and tell them not to bother coming back until they can follow the rules. But the school mollycoddles these reprobates and so they consume more resources than the 95% who are there to learn while damaging everybody's education. I just don't think such a situation is sustainable. Soon they won't be able to find teachers for state schools for any amount of money. What will they do then?

I haven’t been to school for over 43 years but what you write sounds just like my school days.

 

[essexpete]

At the moment, I still think we have a majority of ordinary folks on our side who are becoming tired of the constant drip of righteousness from the likes of the BBC. On several non-farming sites I frequent for my various hobbies and amusement, I am often pleasantly surprised at the reaction to those who torment us. On the local paper site, for instance, a handful of activists pop up whenever an animal story is featured, but the great majority of comments are fairly sensible, and the non-farming folks I meet socially seem keen to support us and learn about what is going on. I don't think all is lost yet, but we mustn't lower our guard.

I do think the ratio of so called ordinary people to those that see the demise of current agri practices will swing agin farming. Many Millennials and Centenntials see the world very differently to previous generations. Most of the population are now generations away from the land and have not experienced shortages/war or been brought up by those that had.

 

[essexpete]

Sending them home is no good that’s what they want ! , the army manage to keep discipline, need hints n tips off them, these wishy washy broken down old hippy type teachers are good for nothing they are part of the problem as well , need old fashioned Sargent major types, sit down shut up and listen or else.

I think you will find that teachers have sod all in their armoury to counter rude and disruptive, children, at least in the state sector. Often not helped by a total failure of parents to back a teacher's decision. My secondary school (new in '72) only used corporal punishment once in it's history AFAIK. Detentions and loss of privileges combined with what would be said by a parent on returning home was usually sufficient.
Today you might find a parent very put out by little prince or princess being reprimanded.

 

[Renaultman]

Sending them home is no good that’s what they want ! , the army manage to keep discipline, need hints n tips off them, these wishy washy broken down old hippy type teachers are good for nothing they are part of the problem as well , need old fashioned Sargent major types, sit down shut up and listen or else.

The army pick their recruits though, it is quite hard to get in nowadays and even harder to make it through basic training. They really don't want the reintroduction of national service.

 

[teslacoils]

I never had to smack my kids because they knew I would if need be, that’s the difference .

Indeed. I wouldn't. But they know if a threat is made it will be followed through. But I doubt that this is the same in other homes. The language I hear waiting at the gate, from children, parents and even grandparents is just appalling.

 

[DrWazzock]

Sending them home is no good that’s what they want ! , the army manage to keep discipline, need hints n tips off them, these wishy washy broken down old hippy type teachers are good for nothing they are part of the problem as well , need old fashioned Sargent major types, sit down shut up and listen or else.

Much as my teacher wife would love to be a "sergeant major" she would probably get hauled in front of the governors for humiliating the students. If a student won't respond to an instruction there is nothing anybody can do about it and they know this. In my day the teacher had a leather belt hanging on the end of the desk. Rarely used but there as a warning. You didn't upset some of the teachers as they could easily "lose it" and really lay into you if they were having a bad day. There was a courtyard in the centre of our primary school and kids who had misbehaved during the lunch hour would be lined up outside the staff room. When the teachers came out from having a smoke and playing bridge to go back to their classes, each teacher would give a kid a good spanking. Then all that went out of fashion and I remember we finished off a trainee primary school teacher in a fortnight before Mr Sharp (ex spitfire pilot) restored order by conventional means.

 

[Hilly]

I think you will find that teachers have sod all in their armoury to counter rude and disruptive, children, at least in the state sector. Often not helped by a total failure of parents to back a teacher's decision. My secondary school (new in '72) only used corporal punishment once in it's history AFAIK. Detentions and loss of privileges combined with what would be said by a parent on returning home was usually sufficient.
Today you might find a parent very put out by little prince or princess being reprimanded.

That is what we have been discussing , yes , bloody mess I’d say.

 

[essexpete]

That is what we have been discussing , yes , bloody mess I’d say.

Have not read the whole thread. I just cannot keep up.

 

[Hilly]

Have not read the whole thread. I just cannot keep up.

Wouldn’t worry about it us chewing the fat wo t change a thing .

 

[Red Fred]

I was a day pupil at a boarding school, and if we were given a detention, we had to go in for two hours on a Sunday afternoon. This was mildly annoying for the pupils, but was a real punishment for our parents if you lived a long way from school. I remember cycling 40 miles on the day I had my only detention for late homework as dad told me he wouldn't drop me off.

 

[Lowland1]

I think the issue of corporal punishment whether in school or in the home is a bit of a red herring. Without doubt in some cases it is a deterrent but if you don't do something because you may get beaten rather than not doing it because it's wrong, really comes down to the way people are raised. You don't kill people because you might get hung, you don't kill people because it is wrong The fact that schools, parents etc do not beat children anymore may allow people to get anyway with doing things that are wrong but intrinsically people have n't changed over the years I don't believe people are any worse today than they were 50 or 100 or 200 years ago they are just able to get away with more. I personally have no issue with schools caning kids but the truth is once it's done more than once or twice to someone then it's not working.

 

[roscoe erf]

we have it in our power to make this all change at least the miners went down fighting

 

[Courier]