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assisted death

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Grain Buyer, May 15, 2018.

  1. Red Fred

    Red Fred Member

  2. bobk

    bobk Member

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  3. Correct, Guernsey, our state's ( government) debate it tomorrow.
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  4. Boohoo

    Boohoo Member


  5. I suppose that is against UK law. Was he charged?
  6. NZDan

    NZDan Member

    Surely we should all have the right to make the choice for ourselves. It should not be the states choice to decide whether we live or die.
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  7. Suicide hasn't been a criminal offence in the UK since 1961.
  8. Grain Buyer

    Grain Buyer Member

    do life insurance policies pay out in a suicide case?
  9. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    Sir Gar / Carms
    If we have an absolute right to life, the obvious corollary is an absolute right to death. This is tacitly accepted by the State, a key reason that suicide is no longer a crime. That being so, it is unjust for those who wish but are unable to take their own lives to be denied the assistance of others - one could even make a case for it being a form of discrimination against those un(dis)able(d) to do so.

    Remove the prigs from this, meaning people - principally the superstitious / religious - telling others how to live, plus ensure sufficient safeguards are present to avoid people being pressured into suicide and it all ceases to be an issue.

    People in great pain without hope of recovery want to die peacefully, who is anyone to deny another this?
  10. Grain Buyer

    Grain Buyer Member

    for a nation that is so "divided" on this subject it is interesting to read a unanimous vote in favour on this thread.
  11. Red Fred

    Red Fred Member

    I think it also comes down to the litigious society we live in, where no one wants to be held accountable for letting someone die in case the decision comes back to bite them.
    On an individual humane level, I don't know of anyone who disagrees that we should be allowed to go peacefully.
    I find the subject has come up lately among my friends as we are all reaching that point where parents are needing care and we are also coming to terms with our own mortality as a few have even "been drawn from our pen" (to use the excellent phrase which came up on here recently.)
    Practically every one of my friends, when hearing of mum or dealing with their own parents, has said "Don't ever let me get like that- I want to be bumped off rather than become a burden."
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  12. DocPhil001

    DocPhil001 Member

    Holsworthy, Devon
    when terminally ill with cancer my gran said you wouldn't leave a cow to suffer like this. that was 26 years ago and it still sticks with me now.
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  13. quattro

    quattro Member

    Don’t think so
  14. matty

    matty Member

    After having watched 2 close family members die slowly , if terminally ill I'd like to think I could choose when to put an end to my suffering.
  15. Lincs Lass

    Lincs Lass Member

    north lincs
  16. Grain Buyer

    Grain Buyer Member

    so there you go, I get some horrible illness which will ultimately end in me drowning in my own blood. I take the 12 bore and end it and my family are screwed. hmmmmm.
  17. DocPhil001

    DocPhil001 Member

    Holsworthy, Devon
    how would it work if the policy had paid out under terminal illness cover?
  18. Grain Buyer

    Grain Buyer Member

    I'm guessing it's open to interpretation. Have you died through illness or have you topped yourself? On the basis insurance companies would prefer not to pay out, I'd say they'd call suicide.
  19. Assisted suicide is still suicide :scratchhead:

    If it came to a vote, I would be abstaining :banghead:
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  20. Grain Buyer

    Grain Buyer Member

    I've never understood a vote of abstention, unless the outcome had no affect on the voter.

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