I used manganese sulphate on that block, with the nutriphyte which is a pyroglutamic gubbins and some phosphite. Other farm I used 1lt of mangagese nitrate + 3lt manganese sulphate.
Atlantis application autumn 2017
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I used manganese sulphate on that block, with the nutriphyte which is a pyroglutamic gubbins and some phosphite. Other farm I used 1lt of mangagese nitrate + 3lt manganese sulphate.
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Ah remember now, pyroglutamic acid and phosphiteyness.
4 litres of manganese should cure even a hangover I would think.
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Sprayed Horus/biopower on the worst areas before the plants got more than two leaves. Not many plants there really but it should take them out, have topped up Flufenacet on areas that have not had Atlantis as no plants for the Horus. All direct drilled stuff. have some later drilled that will just top up flufenacet if and when we get the chance.
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You can't think like that, you need to consider the impact of it over future cropping seasons.
I had this in the past. 'Ah those weeds won't stop a forager when I cut it for wholecrop...' Exactly right, but do you not what a clean start for the new ley I will sow after it?
Blackgrass that has tested as RRR resistance to Atlantis, other SUs like Lexus & the ACCase herbicides has still succumbed to Atlantis + a follow up FFCT top up + Biopower + water conditioner at the 2 leaf stage, in my experience. The early germinating stuff is the most competitive later on & will have 10+ tillers in stem extension by the end of March so the stuff has no chance of working on it then.
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Brisel, you say Atlantis + Biopower + wetter - what's the wetter? The tiller issue is why we have tried to get as many as possible at 2 leaf stage. Hopefully we won't get too many more come because of the residual it's getting late and the wheat's getting away too so hopefully creating some cover. That's the theory anyway not sure if we will get on again now though.
I was telling myself that the pre-em had done a good job, so about the same again would stop any more coming though! If the forager sees it then thats roughly half the potential income down the shitter.
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Brisel, you say Atlantis + Biopower + wetter - what's the wetter? The tiller issue is why we have tried to get as many as possible at 2 leaf stage. Hopefully we won't get too many more come because of the residual it's getting late and the wheat's getting away too so hopefully creating some cover. That's the theory anyway not sure if we will get on again now though.
Atlantis + biopower + X change is what I would do this time of year.
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I was talking about a forager because that is the intended route half the time anyway. It was just an example.
In your case, what value do you put on having a cleaner field for the next crop? Maybe it will be something with an open growth habit (beans?) or a crop that is initially uncompetitive where you might well be very glad of the additional spend you made this year because it eased the problem for you.
You can of course always grow maize. You can even combine it if you like.
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Is bio power not enough? Thought it was the ideal companion?
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You are right, it is splitting hairs but adding a water softener is supposed to help, gives X% additional control, hard water, cold water, cool conditions etc etc etc- you know the drill.
I suppose I have less need for a fully clean crop as most of the other crops in the rotation dont mind a bit of competition. But failing to boss it in wheat leaves a bigger mess than in those other crops.
Wheat for wholecrop would probably make me around £300/ac. I dont see why this crop shouldnt bring in less than £600/ac in grain if I get it right.
Not dissing the control but adding that extra one or two % is pretty dear. Still, could be worse......could have put Defy in too. And Avadex.
Fields are on the roadside and will be rogued so it may have saved me three or four days of my time too.
Wheat for wholecrop would probably make me around £300/ac. I dont see why this crop shouldnt bring in less than £600/ac in grain if I get it right.
Not dissing the control but adding that extra one or two % is pretty dear. Still, could be worse......could have put Defy in too. And Avadex.
Fields are on the roadside and will be rogued so it may have saved me three or four days of my time too.
No, you need the water conditioner if you have hard water. Really makes a big differnce.
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Need to look at that then, thanks.
I think @drummer_bruhaha makes xchange, and will probably have a list of products it works well with. SUs certainly, and I think fops/dims?
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X-change is the first thing (literally) in my tank when I apply Atlantis/Horus/Hatra. This year's tank mix was X-change + Hatra + 120g Flufenacet + Bio-Power.
Last year I did some with 1000g PDM instead of the 120g Flufenacet - and the difference between the two was big. Hence this years tank mix.
X-change always used here with Atlantis type products, Glyphosate and Fop/dims including Centurian Max. I think it is also recommended with pyrethroids, and Canopy - Prohexadione Calcium - the calcium bit being the problem. @drummer_bruhaha is the man.
Last year I did some with 1000g PDM instead of the 120g Flufenacet - and the difference between the two was big. Hence this years tank mix.
X-change always used here with Atlantis type products, Glyphosate and Fop/dims including Centurian Max. I think it is also recommended with pyrethroids, and Canopy - Prohexadione Calcium - the calcium bit being the problem. @drummer_bruhaha is the man.
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Quite right, water conditioners generally need to go in the tank first. From memory you can get little kits that tell you how hard the water is and how much X-change is needed per tank. It isn't hugely expensive. I've only ever used it with Atlantis in the autumn tbh, the rest of the time it was going in with PGRs and fungicides and godknowswhat= probably plenty hot enough like that.
I believe I am right in saying that you don't need to add x-change nor anything else if you are putting LI-700 in with glyphosate, for example. LI-700 conditions the water itself already. Again, needs to go into the tank first though.
Don't go taking that to mean you can put Li-700 in with everything mind: I dread to think what would happen if you did it with Atlantis, probably punch it into the crop and kill it dead.
I believe I am right in saying that you don't need to add x-change nor anything else if you are putting LI-700 in with glyphosate, for example. LI-700 conditions the water itself already. Again, needs to go into the tank first though.
Don't go taking that to mean you can put Li-700 in with everything mind: I dread to think what would happen if you did it with Atlantis, probably punch it into the crop and kill it dead.
Biopower is essential but as above, a water conditioner helps add a few % of control in hard water areas.
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Could you use it with Glyphosate?