shakerator
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poor residual performance
Little to no rain given
Warm soil , 1 leaf BG....
Could it work .....?
Little to no rain given
Warm soil , 1 leaf BG....
Could it work .....?
Atlantis or redrill!
- Thread starter shakerator
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what has been put on already? when was atlantis last used? how did it work then?
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How many acres? Still any seed in the shed or heap? Chatting to my agronomist this morning, a lot of his customers are just starting WW drilling on BG land. I have just unhitched the drill this morning from drilling my bad BG land. Soil conditions never been better. I would if time/money allows spray it off and go again esp if a relatively small acreage
shakerator
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1 field never used
The other last used 2010 with good results
However I have had failures on first introduction to a field .
My thoughts are these are as good we conditions for Atlantis as we will ever see. And why not put what contact based herbicides in front in this dry ban end, then come in with the residuals when colder and wetter....
Seem to remember some Agrii work saying even RRR was quite susceptible at 1 leaf
So I take it there has been nothing used so far?
Got to be worth a try I’d have thought the odds (should) be stacked in your favor, but I’d put at least something residual with it at this stage soil are cooling and the sun is much weaker, even if you top up again later.
this post has cheered me up no-end. Sorry @shakerator but seed still in the bag here. BG just emerging with last flush about 10mm out the ground.
That's worth Atlantis IMO. Add Liberator/Firebird unless you're already maxed out or the labels clash (usually 1 dose so you have to rotate products. Max 360 g/ha FFCT). I've used autumn Atlantis on RRR tested blackgrass & had a very good kill. It will be the size of dinner plates by March which is when people still expect it to work! Don't forget the water conditioner (unless using rain water), Biopower and a spreader/wetter for better coverage. Angled nozzles and a fine spray too.
Atlantis has a residual effect too. Dig through your NIAB TAG residual herbicide trials library
snipe
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If you have some seed you can use off the heap and a drill that’s cheap to run I’d redrill at 250kg/ha minimum. The less chemical options you can use the better. Next backend you might not have the option to redrill and have to use Atlantis.
Hereward
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@shakerator how much blackgrass?
I'd go with Atlantis plus as much flufenacet as possible you can max out at 480g/ha in total
I'd go with Atlantis plus as much flufenacet as possible you can max out at 480g/ha in total
limestone brash
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Don’t you guys need to take a different tack?
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I’ve got the same dilemma on 2ha in a 7 ha field. It’s getting glyphosate tomorrow and redrilled friday then Atlantis on the better area. Not going to spend all winter wishing I’d sprayed it off and then all summer looking at it so I’m biting the bullet. Will be redrilled at 250kg/ha +
yellow belly
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I have found 1 leaf bg which is not rooted this then dies when the roots get a dose of pre em
If the soil surface is dried out it can die off
If it is rooted deep then that is the problem
shakerator
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Hatra on today . Earliest ever
shakerator
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Believe me tried everything
shakerator
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Worst areas 20-30 plants Sq m
@shakerator how are you drilling these badly effected fields i.e system ? Do you grow 2 nd cereals with spring breaks and grass let breaks ?
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How many acres ? Conditions still good so glyphosate and redrill off the heap ?
First loss usualy the best loss
snipe
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You can’t say you have tried everything if you have put hatra on today, when you have had the weather and soil conditions to allow you to destroy a flush of BG and redrill.
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You are correct, however I am afraid late drilled wheat really doesn’t excite me. Given the dry outlook I think there will be more bg anyway ....
Culturally I have tried a lot, these fields first wheat crops since 2010/11 respectively. So I am hoping hatra will do something.
I have always felt we should be using contacts before residuals in dry autumns. Atlantis was released in 2002 and by the time we got to 2006 too much had been applied to giant plants, as we just applied residuals in the dry and waited and hoped ...
I don’t enjoy looking at 1 leaf wheat all winter that has been dowsed in a pre em stack, ready for a big blw flush in the spring. I will just drill a spring cereal
Will keep updated!