Australia burns , what effect is it having on national stock / crop levels

[kiwi pom]

Obviously the fires over there are terrible and seem to be way worse than normal, but why is it that this time someone has to be to blame for it?

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Apparently we are responsible for the doomsday clock being closer to midnight than ever before because of the fires
Wonder what they do when the clock gets there and fùckall happens
Nuclear armageddon has failed to materialize in the 73 years since they sowed fear into humanity in 1947. So now they are grasping at anything to remain relevant.

 

[Steel]

As hazard reduction burns are a current topic I’ll give my opinion.

The Red Gum forests along the Murray River near me changed from managed forests to NP several years ago. Since them many tracks have been blocked off, camping restricted and all timber harvesting and firewood colection banned.
There is now an enormous fuel load as there has been no hazard reduction burns either.
The argument that the drought has limited the available time for hazard reduction burns is propoganda as it could now be burnt any time of the year including winter.

This applies to most forests and NP, as the usual excuse for no hazard reduction is its to wet outside summer, and they can’t burn in summer due to the fire danger.

I was talking to some higher up people than me in the Rural Fire Service at the fires and suggested we do some burns. Everybody told me National Parks would never approve it, and there is nothing we can do so we should just keep out of the way when there is eventually a big fire as we won’t be able to do a thing to stop it.

I talked to others who were at other fires near the coast and they said much of it had a fuel load of 50 t/ha. One day the big wigs approved a back burn and it just went strait to the canopy and was unstoppable. The blokes I know were on night shift and did a backburn at night which was successful.

In most areas there have not been high stock losses as the fires are in NP, and probably almost not crop losses as harvest is over in most cases.

 

[TelesnaAg]

I stated in previous post, the national parks, and forrest fire management and the like are not elected positions, i assume they answer to the environment minister? State and federal.

If you look into the leadership people on these departments, majority white female, do some social media research and you will soon see there political affiliates. These points are relevant to some farmers comments on ither threads. In the case if vic parks, majority white female and not 1 not a single 1 position reserved in leadership team for indigenous representation.....???

Then the argument the greens arent elected, not there fault? Really, do some reserach on preferences and what will go on if they get a sniff of power with labour.

If you keep your reserach shallow, it will tell you what you want to here 100% of the time...msm is proof of this as its an industry.

As csmtt pointed out and as have many Australians, we had the soloutions, just dont use them anymore.

And with that fact known, id say less than 0.1% of people in fire prone areas fitted fire suppression to assets. This fuel or shift in policies didnt occur overnite. Many new cars and phones have been bought with money, very very few fire suppression systems purchased.

Ant...

 

[renewablejohn]

As hazard reduction burns are a current topic I’ll give my opinion.

The Red Gum forests along the Murray River near me changed from managed forests to NP several years ago. Since them many tracks have been blocked off, camping restricted and all timber harvesting and firewood colection banned.
There is now an enormous fuel load as there has been no hazard reduction burns either.
The argument that the drought has limited the available time for hazard reduction burns is propoganda as it could now be burnt any time of the year including winter.

This applies to most forests and NP, as the usual excuse for no hazard reduction is its to wet outside summer, and they can’t burn in summer due to the fire danger.

I was talking to some higher up people than me in the Rural Fire Service at the fires and suggested we do some burns. Everybody told me National Parks would never approve it, and there is nothing we can do so we should just keep out of the way when there is eventually a big fire as we won’t be able to do a thing to stop it.

I talked to others who were at other fires near the coast and they said much of it had a fuel load of 50 t/ha. One day the big wigs approved a back burn and it just went strait to the canopy and was unstoppable. The blokes I know were on night shift and did a backburn at night which was successful.

In most areas there have not been high stock losses as the fires are in NP, and probably almost not crop losses as harvest is over in most cases.

Really no excuse for not reducing fuel load just because you cannot burn., Thats the whole point of woodland management on a commercial basis.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

As hazard reduction burns are a current topic I’ll give my opinion.

The Red Gum forests along the Murray River near me changed from managed forests to NP several years ago. Since them many tracks have been blocked off, camping restricted and all timber harvesting and firewood colection banned.
There is now an enormous fuel load as there has been no hazard reduction burns either.
The argument that the drought has limited the available time for hazard reduction burns is propoganda as it could now be burnt any time of the year including winter.

This applies to most forests and NP, as the usual excuse for no hazard reduction is its to wet outside summer, and they can’t burn in summer due to the fire danger.

I was talking to some higher up people than me in the Rural Fire Service at the fires and suggested we do some burns. Everybody told me National Parks would never approve it, and there is nothing we can do so we should just keep out of the way when there is eventually a big fire as we won’t be able to do a thing to stop it.

I talked to others who were at other fires near the coast and they said much of it had a fuel load of 50 t/ha. One day the big wigs approved a back burn and it just went strait to the canopy and was unstoppable. The blokes I know were on night shift and did a backburn at night which was successful.

In most areas there have not been high stock losses as the fires are in NP, and probably almost not crop losses as harvest is over in most cases.

That's the trouble. And the career beurocrats conveniently hide behind each government of the day. It wouldnt have mattered what government was in power. The fires still would have happened and they still would have been blamed. All because of beurocratic madness.
My brother said years ago that work safe went through their fleet of fire fighting vehicles and banned them from using most of them because they were "overloaded" , so all the effective units they had , needed to have new slip ins made with about a third the water carrying capacity. Same thing with our Irrigation company. Land cruisers that carried 500lt tanks were replaced with 200lt tanks. So now when doing weed control they spend most of their time traveling back to town to refill.

 

[andybk]

just a sense of perspective on scale of fire compared to past ones .

https://www.cfact.org/2020/01/27/wh...about-the-australian-wildfires/#disqus_thread

 

[TelesnaAg]

Did u donate?

Ant...

 

[mwj]

Did u donate?

Ant...

Is the screen shot fact, rumor, or stirring the pot?

 

[TelesnaAg]

Is the screen shot fact, rumor, or stirring the pot?

Fact - was just easier to do from there rather than gather all the articles on my phone when travelling. We have had big issues within the dairy industry with all sorts of organisations not passing on levies etc added to the retail price.

Several drought assistance charity organisations have been shut down and are going through court

There is no real clear guidance as to what is an acceptable amount of money that must be passed to the end user to qualify them as a charity. The classic of these is charities collecting for African children where it is common only 10% makes it to the end user. if you research how many dollars have been raised and look at what actually reached the African population you will soon realize how much is squandered along the way.

The fire donations will be the same, buildings will be rented from wives paid for by the charity - houses will be rented as offices and lived in rent free by charity organizers..the list is endless.

It is a real shame as there are obviously organisations that do the right thing, however if there is no legal guidance i'm not how they would even prosecute - maybe revoke there tax status might be about it.

Ant...

 

[TelesnaAg]

https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/a...f/news-story/df8b33294329acc2502cfc660c275922

Everyone gets there hands in the pie.

Ant...

 

[TelesnaAg]

I said the floods will come next, and well.its giving it a nudge.

Also the govt weather agency who is climate mad and data cookers said it was going to be dry till April, its done nothin but rain.

Consider your consumption.

Ant....

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Pity we dont all live on the extreme east coast... . 40mm total for the year so far. No different to same time last years data. 10mm in last 2 days was our total.

 

[Kidds]

I said ages ago it would be raining by Valentines Day.
That's when we will arrive.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

I said ages ago it would be raining by Valentines Day.
That's when we will arrive.

Thought you might have already been here

 

[Kidds]

Thought you might have already been here

Got my timing off by a day or two. Why the hell I am still here I do not know, it's bloody snowing!

 

[glow worm]

in recent reports from Australia they have shown all the new growth already sprouting from burnt trees and the ground, with comments as to how the forests will regenerate very quickly. I have only seen the report once, but there was an official filmed a couple of weeks ago saying that far from that being all good news, the new vegetation would be toxic and lethal to wildlife for years to come. My questions are .. is that true and if so, why, and if true, what on earth can be done for the surviving wildlife?

 

[Steel]

I said ages ago it would be raining by Valentines Day.
That's when we will arrive.

Not to much rain here.
Only 9 mm this week so far.
Looked very promising yesterday but only got 2 mm

 

[Steel]

in recent reports from Australia they have shown all the new growth already sprouting from burnt trees and the ground, with comments as to how the forests will regenerate very quickly. I have only seen the report once, but there was an official filmed a couple of weeks ago saying that far from that being all good news, the new vegetation would be toxic and lethal to wildlife for years to come. My questions are .. is that true and if so, why, and if true, what on earth can be done for the surviving wildlife?

Never heard that new growth is more toxic than usual before and I don’t believe it.
There will be lots of grass and new plants grow where more light is hitting the ground in previously thick forests so plenty of feed.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Not to much rain here.
Only 9 mm this week so far.
Looked very promising yesterday but only got 2 mmView attachment 857841

Had a big red blob on the radar literally split in 2 just before it got to us yesterday evening....And then rejoin its blobby mates right after us... probably got .2mm out of it......