Australia Free Trade Deal?

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
$40,000 per year, not sure what we get for it as it all goes into the council coffers, as farming is a business we effectively pay business rates, the point being that we can all look at a selective part of our own industry and say there is not a level playing field, you have to look at the big picture with an overall view and not expect the world to operate in the same manner as the UK does.

That's 20k in pounds sterling to start with.
I think you will find lots of agri businesses paying
similar in the UK .
Your point is?
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
That's about what my water delivery bill comes to...lucky it rains in the UK....unfair advantages....

If you don't like it you should move to an area with natural rainfall.
More Aussie moaning.
Edit
As Australia has large parts that are dry and arid you
could argue that they should be conserving water instead
of using it for agriculture and import more of their food from more
suited climates like the UK.
 
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stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
That's 20k in pounds sterling to start with.
I think you will find lots of agri businesses paying
similar in the UK .
Your point is?
Agri business maybe, very unlikely farmers will be paying that.
An earlier post was pointing out some of the disadvantages the UK has, I commented we can all be selective and play that game. the point being we all have different advantages and disadvantages, look at the big picture and play to your strengths, which has to be a better way to get ahead instead of whinging it is unfair.
Average field size would depend on stock numbers. You are of course being selective in the questions you ask instead of looking overall at the big picture, but hey lets play that game for now, how much are your council rates?
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Agri business maybe, very unlikely farmers will be paying that.
An earlier post was pointing out some of the disadvantages the UK has, I commented we can all be selective and play that game. the point being we all have different advantages and disadvantages, look at the big picture and play to your strengths, which has to be a better way to get ahead instead of whinging it is unfair.

Ok it says on your avatar Horticulture so are you paying the
same rates per acre as a sheep ranch ?
 
If you don't like it you should move to an area with natural rainfall.
More Aussie moaning.
Edit
As Australia has large parts that are dry and arid you
could argue that they should be conserving water instead
of using it for agriculture and import more of their food from more
suited climates like the UK.
To be fair.....no pun intended, did not the English set a new benchmark in moaning with regard to brexit??? Just how long can one complain aboot a policy and its alleged effects considering it should have happened years ago directly after the referendum.
 

Hilly

Member
Perhaps the present generation but it's taken a long time.
Gran
Perhaps the present generation but it's taken a long time.
Grandfather had an entire Life underground , hated it , always said they should have kept one open for them that day they like mining coal stick them in a cage at 5.30am every morning lower them mile underground crawl about under the sea pulling the props out behind you, best thing ever closing them .
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
To be fair.....no pun intended, did not the English set a new benchmark in moaning with regard to brexit??? Just how long can one complain aboot a policy and its alleged effects considering it should have happened years ago directly after the referendum.

Ah a taste of Canzuk .
I think you will find the Scots were least happy.
Its the hypocrisy of rules and regulations made up by a incompetent elected
government that is grinding farmers gears not the prospect of competing
with other countries.Remind me when the boat load of Canadian OSR grown with the use of neonics arrives?
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
To be fair.....no pun intended, did not the English set a new benchmark in moaning with regard to brexit??? Just how long can one complain aboot a policy and its alleged effects considering it should have happened years ago directly after the referendum.
If we want to moan we will what's wrong with that but at least we don't whinge like those Aussie's good God do they get you down
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Not per acre as rates are based on values, plenty of sheep farmers on a big station would be paying at least that. Dairy farmers on the flats more.

Just googled a farmer on 3000 acres of roughish ground in 2015
was paying £6000 in one part of NZ .
No different to a big hill farm over here with a house and a couple of cottages.

You obviously run a highly valuable business.:)
 

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Just googled a farmer on 3000 acres of roughish ground in 2015
was paying £6000 in one part of NZ .
No different to a big hill farm over here with a house and a couple of cottages.

You obviously run a highly valuable business.:)
You are being selective and not looking at the whole industry in its entirety, NZ rates are based on the value of the farm in total, UK rates for agriculture are based on the value of the house or houses on the farm, with no account taken of the land value. Nothing wrong with either method as it is how each individual country decides to collect taxes.
We all have different costs along with different farming methods to take into account each countries climatic conditions soil types etc, what is done in the UK does not always work in Australia and vice versa that doesn't make it wrong.
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
You are being selective and not looking at the whole industry in its entirety, NZ rates are based on the value of the farm in total, UK rates for agriculture are based on the value of the house or houses on the farm, with no account taken of the land value. Nothing wrong with either method as it is how each individual country decides to collect taxes.
We all have different costs along with different farming methods to take into account each countries climatic conditions soil types etc, what is done in the UK does not always work in Australia and vice versa that doesn't make it wrong.

Totally understand we pay taxes in different ways but
dont see the average NZ farmer disadvantaged over the
UK farmer in this regard which was your original gripe.:)
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Totally understand we pay taxes in different ways but
dont see the average NZ farmer disadvantaged over the
UK farmer in this regard which was your original gripe.:)

It doesn't really matter, every countries different and has it's own advantages and disadvantages. NZ biggest disadvantage is, its so far from market, if you want to farm here you pretty much have to accept you're depending on another country to buy your goods. One big scare like BSE and everyone stops buying and its business finished.
I'd say the biggest advantage the UK has is there'll always be 60 million people to feed, so you have a market and because of subs and grants, environmental schemes and house/land prices its possible to make a reasonable living while only owning/renting a small number of acres, compared to a lot of countries.
 
Ah a taste of Canzuk .
I think you will find the Scots were least happy.
Its the hypocrisy of rules and regulations made up by a incompetent elected
government that is grinding farmers gears not the prospect of competing
with other countries.Remind me when the boat load of Canadian OSR grown with the use of neonics arrives?
CANZuk will never happen😆, my guess is Trudeau would never do it as it would be political suicide, the Liberals are a minority government and there is little to no chance that Justin would overturn the supply management that was set up when his alleged father was PM.😉
 

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Totally understand we pay taxes in different ways but
dont see the average NZ farmer disadvantaged over the
UK farmer in this regard which was your original gripe.:)
No Gripe at all, you need to read the thread in context. BrianV in post #842 made a comment about field sizes and how this was a disadvantage, I replied in post #886 that he was being selective in the questions and should look at the overall big picture, but I was willing to play the game hence my comment regarding rates.
As I have stated several times each country has advantages and disadvantages, a level playing field is impossible due to the different topography and climate, play to your strengths instead of constantly whinging about how the whole world is against you and how unfair it is.
I have a choice where I live or farm, as I choose to live here it quite obviously suits the way I want to farm, the life style I want to lead and the advantages that I see farming here, there are also disadvantages which I could count on the thumb of one hand.
 
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