- Location
- S.E
Try may-march! Still not been able to do any spring field work here yet
Autumn manure banned
- Thread starter l'ordinary bonville
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Daniel
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- Location
- Mildenhall, Suffolk
Burn energy to dry and pelletise it?
Bet they’d applaud you for your environmentalism.
- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
It is very common to see blatant abuse of the rules around here by many different farmers big and small (but mostly big tbh).
Put it this way, if there is a wet day forecast in winter I can guarantee most farms with housed livestock will be out plastering fields with slurry the day before. A lot of these fields are on slopes with a stream at the bottom. It is not right by a long way, the streams regularly run green with slurry.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
There will be a grant to digest muck to make heat to dry the digestate.
Bloody well hope not.
Autumn is the best time to apply FYM to grassland, to allow it to breakdown over the winter months. It is not really an option to apply the FYM in the Spring or through the Summer to grassland.
you wonder why the ea gets funny about it
Breakthru
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
Pick the rules to suit the circumstances. Metaldehyde ban is due to the cost of removing it from drinking water. Correct me if I am wrong on the numbers but something like 25 people drink the same Thames water before it gets to the sea.
What can't they remove, Oestrogen, the contraceptive. That's why I never drink real ale from the London area.
Now for the controversey. This is maybe the reason for the increase in gays.
Many years ago a barge sank in a US swamp. It contained Oestrogen which was used for glass production. They left it to rot and interestingly the gators started to change sex.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
There are plenty of alternative contraceptive choices too. Sigh.
Breakthru
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders
Agreed but the principle is ban the only one they can not the worst one.
GeorgeK
Member
- Location
- Leicestershire
This must be an attempt to reduce livestock numbers? It will end most straw for muck deals and with the short weather windows we get now even small mixed farms would struggle to get their muck on in a responsible manner
90hp farming
Member
I struggle with the argument to build winter storage. Covered muck storage with all the concrete and steel involved - what about the environmental impact of all those construction raw materials.
The issue with muck pollution, I believe, comes from the concentration of muck on fewer, larger holdings. The stocking density is simply too much for the land area attached.
Years ago, with lots of little mixed farms, perhaps there was never the same issue.
Just concreting our way out of the problem is neither regenerative or sustainable.
Have you read the ELMS management requirements for rapid incorporation of fym? Won't be any spreading on top and leaving it from what I read.
womble8350
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- Location
- York
As already stated I can see a lot of straw for muck deals finishing. There is not enough spring cropped land to take all the fym.
So, just a question to understand the logic behind application of Sewage Sludge, and not a reflection upon any individual etc before someone shoots me down.
Why would any Farmer actively support taking Sewage Sludge - and basically increase polluting the land further with micro plastics?
Seems a bit strange to me that some say if pollution can be avoided, it should at any cost, yet it appears there is support to actively spread a polluting product upon the land..
Is it financially more viable to spread Sewage Sludge, hence the use is condoned whilst knowing the impact?
AHDB ..... not exactly endearing themselves nowadays
When you have a mixed farm with livestock, produce all FYM and no slurry and plant all autumn sown crops when do they think we can apply it and incorporate it?
On one hand we are encouraged to raise OM levels and reduce artificial inputs. Muppets the lot of them
More chance of me contaminating my land and the environment by spreading “Bummy Dung”
than from FYM from my own cattle fed on my own silage and grain and bedded on my own straw.
Not quite as simple as you are making out.
Before any application of SS, your land has to be tested for heavy metals and this is "scored" against the heavy metal composition in the SS. For example, SS out of Wrexham has limited use because it's heavy in zinc due to local industries whilst SS out of Bangor is high in N because of the high student population and their intake of junk food (strange but true according to my EAW mole).
Further, SS is often lime treated so it has a small but justifiable acid neutralising effect. Add to that the PK (& N) plus the fact that it also builds humus in the soil then it's not all bad.
However micro plastics are a new discovery (or an ignored fact previously). BUT what is the alternative if you cannot incorporate SS on to land?
More chance of me contaminating my land and the environment by spreading “Bummy Dung”
That's what I'm interested in, so should have made it clearer. I am talking about the Sewage Sludge from treatment plants that get spread, as that is known to contain MP's.
What do you propose to do with it instead?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Testing limits are not based on science. They are tot
Back in 2004, sewage sludge was free. Then, some bright spark decided to charge for it. Accountant types who ran farms decided they would still pay for it as it was cheaper than bagged. Water companies then stopped supplying small users.
This was pre-micro plastic. The prevailing mood in UK at seems to be "everything is bad" therefore ban it until there is nothing left.
Remember bulky fym applied to DD crops was the Mecca for heavy land only two years ago. But don't worry - water companies will easily Lobby for and get an exemption. It's all about negotiating power. Remember the water co argument will be it's land or the sea. Stock farmers argument will be it's that or less meat. And that will please the Guardian .