Autumn manure banned

[milkloss]

This is what makes me angry about the job...... posters on here saying they're going to have to consult their facts advisor (whatever that is, bet it'll cost more than a pint it two though!) or whoever. I quit red tractor because I was going to have to pay my vet to sign off a health plan he had no part in writing..... be quitting farming next at this rate..... rewilding is looking like a viable prospect. Seems nearly impossible to do much in farming without consulting some overpaid clueless box ticker.

perhaps that is their intention.

oh, and the fcking NFU are really proving to be a fcking useless bunch of lazy but officious naval gazers. Two fcking emails...... tw4t!

 

[Vernon]

Can apply fert to grass to mid sept, world is bonkers

We took our second cut grass for bales yesterday, thinking we could clear the muck out of the yards onto it as it’s a growing crop that can as you say have fert till mid sept.

 

[Hjwise]

Farmers generally apply muck in the Autumn because the crops benefit from it and make profitability possible. If that doesn’t demonstrate a ‘crop need’ then I don’t know what does.

 

[B'o'B]

This is what makes me angry about the job...... posters on here saying they're going to have to consult their facts advisor (whatever that is, bet it'll cost more than a pint it two though!) or whoever. I quit red tractor because I was going to have to pay my vet to sign off a health plan he had no part in writing..... be quitting farming next at this rate..... rewilding is looking like a viable prospect. Seems nearly impossible to do much in farming without consulting some overpaid clueless box ticker.

perhaps that is their intention.

oh, and the fcking NFU are really proving to be a fcking useless bunch of lazy but officious naval gazers. Two fcking emails...... tw4t!

To be fair you are not required to consult a FACTS advisor on this.

It has been a standard get out clause for all these things for many years that you could basically do anything you wanted with fertiliser if you had "written advice from a FACTS advisor", however that doesn't apply to this.

 

[Christoph1945]

What do you propose to do with it instead?

Burn it!

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

I know that RB209 states there is no need for Autumn nitrogen on Autumn cereals, presumably following past trials on yields from different timings, but are there any negative effects on using some? (crop, economic or environmental) Surely winter cereals would take up and hold an amount of N and P as grass does and is allowed under RB209. Surely it would be better applying FYM etc when dry pre drilling of Autumn cereals (obviously not on cracked open soil over land drains) rather than trying to get on in a wet spring, or even using artificial fertilizers as soon as regulations allow in early Spring when too wet.

 

[B'o'B]

I know that RB209 states there is no need for Autumn nitrogen on Autumn cereals, presumably following past trials on yields from different timings, but are there any negative effects on using some? (crop, economic or environmental) Surely winter cereals would take up and hold an amount of N and P as grass does and is allowed under RB209. Surely it would be better applying FYM etc when dry pre drilling of Autumn cereals (obviously not on cracked open soil over land drains) rather than trying to get on in a wet spring, or even using artificial fertilizers as soon as regulations allow in early Spring when too wet.

You really are a mixed up farmer. You have assumed the EA give a care about logic, practicality or reality. Go and stand in the corner and think about what you have done!

 

[Goweresque]

You only have to look where the muck heap was in the field to see how much nutrient DOESN'T get washed away for the following winter crop or spring crop for that matter.

I've got a small paddock where the previous owner of the farm used to keep pigs in the 1970s. Over 40 years later still grows more grass than any other field on the farm, year in year out.

 

[curlietailz]

Farmers generally apply muck in the Autumn because the crops benefit from it and make profitability possible. If that doesn’t demonstrate a ‘crop need’ then I don’t know what does.

But you’ll need to have your soil test results, your manure analysis results, the RB209 recommendation, your FACTS advisors recommendation and the Planet MannerPK analysis plus the weather forecast and rainfall data for the week or two you spread.

 

[Hindsight]

Well, I reckon a lot of folk will be busy harvesting for the next three weeks and a bit of baling. Weather permitting. And then will spread a bit o muck. and get on with Autumn cultivations and then later a bit o drilling. Simple as that. Large agribusinesses might spend some time agonising what to do. We shall see.

 

[JCfarmer]

Farmers seem to be the scape goat as always for pollution in water courses because we are in the minority plus there is obviously a vegan agenda LEFT or possibly right wing also.
Water companies are next on the list when they get caught but they can afford it and purposely do it because the fine has been cheaper!
House holders not really on the list but should be and most probably the worst offenders! I'm talking rural with their own ageing failed cesspit with dirty water running into ditches and down stream!
There is a lot of them and I'm sure one or two on here.

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

Plan for this autumn

Option A

every field is planned to be rape, even 2nd rape

if not planned for rape then my cover crops are suddenly forage crops

bang the muck on then review my plan. Rape suddenly not feasible as flea beetle pressure too high

Option B

We really need some trial results somewhere that say there is a crop benefit and then we can defend what we will be doing anyway

Option C

We do as we are told but defra pay us huge sums for extra slurry storage and oversized spreaders to get round everything in 2 months

Option D

Cease livestoc, AD, stop taking sewage. Retire

Option E

NFU make govt see sense. AHDB support pragmatism


These are in descending order of likelihood

 

[Hindsight]

Plan for this autumn

Option A

every field is planned to be rape, even 2nd rape

if not planned for rape then my cover crops are suddenly forage crops

bang the muck on then review my plan. Rape suddenly not feasible as flea beetle pressure too high

Option B

We really need some trial results somewhere that say there is a crop benefit and then we can defend what we will be doing anyway

Option C

We do as we are told but defra pay us huge sums for extra slurry storage and oversized spreaders to get round everything in 2 months

Option D

Cease livestoc, AD, stop taking sewage. Retire

Option E

NFU make govt see sense. AHDB support pragmatism


These are in descending order of likelihood

As i said in my post above yours most folk will just have to carry on and see if they get inspected. The real question is whether to submit a RPS email request. I was rather hoping someone will do so and then post what happened?

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

As i said in my post above yours most folk will just have to carry on and see if they get inspected. The real question is whether to submit a RPS email request. I was rather hoping someone will do so and then post what happened?

No way am I telling them anything to stir up an interest in my activities

 

[Longlowdog]

What's going to happen to all the processed human poo and stuff from green power plants if it can't be spread over late autumn/winter? We will be neck deep in kack.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Well just seen someone spreading fym on to rape stubble,do rules not apply to some folk.

The volunteer rape germinated on 1st August. Look hungry for N and have a RB209 N need. Soil not cracked, bit of moisture but drains not flowing. P index of 2.

Top dress the FYM on.

Everything seems to not only fit the rule book, but also the rape will do a perfect job to capture the N. Spray off end sept when rape is 15" high, drill with wheat, wheat takes up rotted/released N in spring (held in the rape plants over winter).

Can't see anything in RB209 which says crop has to be taken through to harvest. Could be chopped in, grazed by sheep, autumn silaged etc.

I wouldn't be too worried if I had to justify that to an inspector. Genuinely think that is better than reasonable, and will even work well. Ideally cultivate in the FYM immediately after rape is harvested to reduce ammonia emissions and capture as much of the N as possible by the rape plants.

And germinated seeds were volunteers, so no BSPB levy to pay

I honestly, honestly think that's OK. Happy to be corrected if anyone thinks it might contravene the FRfW.

 

[B'o'B]

The volunteer rape germinated on 1st August. Look hungry for N and have a RB209 N need. Soil not cracked, bit of moisture but drains not flowing. P index of 2.

Top dress the FYM on.

Everything seems to not only fit the rule book, but also the rape will do a perfect job to capture the N. Spray off end sept when rape is 15" high, drill with wheat, wheat takes up rotted/released N in spring (held in the rape plants over winter).

Can't see anything in RB209 which says crop has to be taken through to harvest. Could be chopped in, grazed by sheep, autumn silaged etc.

I wouldn't be too worried if I had to justify that to an inspector. Genuinely think that is better than reasonable, and will even work well. Ideally cultivate in the FYM immediately after rape is harvested to reduce ammonia emissions and capture as much of the N as possible by the rape plants.

And germinated seeds were volunteers, so no BSPB levy to pay

I honestly, honestly think that's OK. Happy to be corrected if anyone thinks it might contravene the FRfW.

I would say probably the biggest fly in the ointment would be the commercial crop requirement. If you paid the BSPB you would have the extra evidence required, without that it’s pretty clear it’s not a commercial crop.

 

[nelly55]

I have a very good idea for fym storage,there is a lot of concrete outside no 10,so if NFU big wigs won’t do anything I know what the French would do,and it would mean the sh!t really did hit home if it was all dumped outside,EA ,NFU ,MPs Homes and offices.Also human sh!t needs storing and then see who shouts first.Just sick to death of this sodding country .Come on let’s fight back are you man or mouse,because lets face it no other bugger is going to do it for us.

 

[B'o'B]

I have a very good idea for fym storage,there is a lot of concrete outside no 10,so if NFU big wigs won’t do anything I know what the French would do,and it would mean the sh!t really did hit home if it was all dumped outside,EA ,NFU ,MPs Homes and offices.Also human sh!t needs storing and then see who shouts first.Just sick to death of this sodding country .Come on let’s fight back are you man or mouse,because lets face it no other bugger is going to do it for us.

I think you’ll find it too near a drain to have a muck heap near No10. Anyway there’s too many sh*ts around there already

 

[B'o'B]

I have a very good idea for fym storage,there is a lot of concrete outside no 10,so if NFU big wigs won’t do anything I know what the French would do,and it would mean the sh!t really did hit home if it was all dumped outside,EA ,NFU ,MPs Homes and offices.Also human sh!t needs storing and then see who shouts first.Just sick to death of this sodding country .Come on let’s fight back are you man or mouse,because lets face it no other bugger is going to do it for us.

Maybe send gifts of a load of slurry/FYM to all the MPs homes, then they would all have to declare them as gifts to parliament.
Maybe be supper generous and add the EA top brass to the gift list as well.