Autumn manure banned

holwellcourtfarm

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NFFN Member
The difficulty is conflicting losses of the various nutrient. The reality is if society (all 70million) crammed on a small island ate less meat (from monogastrics in particular) then there wouldn't be the manure issue for society to attend to through imposing regulations on farmers. There also wouldn't be the livestock farmers to have to impose the regulations on. It would involve society (the 70 million citizens) consuming a grains and vegetable diet with much less meat.
Agreed. Expect to see CHD and Stroke rates soar as a result of replacing natural wholesome foods with yet more ultra-processed cereal based foods as a result. 😞
 
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Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Farmers seem to be the scape goat as always for pollution in water courses because we are in the minority plus there is obviously a vegan agenda LEFT or possibly right wing also.
Water companies are next on the list when they get caught but they can afford it and purposely do it because the fine has been cheaper!
House holders not really on the list but should be and most probably the worst offenders! I'm talking rural with their own ageing failed cesspit with dirty water running into ditches and down stream!
There is a lot of them and I'm sure one or two on here.
Isn't it the vegan crops that are the issue here?
 

robs1

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The difficulty is conflicting losses of the various nutrient. The reality is if society (all 70million) crammed on a small island ate less meat (from monogastrics in particular) then there wouldn't be the manure issue for society to attend to through imposing regulations on farmers. There also wouldn't be the livestock farmers to have to impose the regulations on. It would involve society (the 70 million citizens) consuming a grains and vegetable diet with much less meat.
Well people want meat to start without ignoring that issue, what about the implications on rotations of removing animals such as the need to increase pesticide use to control weeds in particular, we are bring told to reduce pesticide use, another circle that cant be squared, then we have the biodiversity problem, many vertebrates, insects etc rely on OM/sh!t to live they in turn feed bigger creatures and birds another square circle, let's add in the requirements of higher man made fert to grow those crops. The more any intelligent person looks into this issue the more its obviously bonkers.
Roll on the day people are hungry
 

AndrewM

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BASIS
Location
Devon
Yes, as long as you follow NVZ regs and don’t spray it off and establish a different crop other than OSR this autumn. And from what I’m led to believe your P indices are below 3.
where does it say i cant established a cereal crop after i have harvested or grazed the crop of grass that the FYM helped to grow?
 

Chalky

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Working on EA logic should we be precluded from planting cereals after pulses, as they are classified a s a source of elevated N due to the breakdown of haulm & roots etc?? If not, why not. And if not, surely that reduces logic behind ban of ore cereal organics. Pulses were lauded by most governmental bodies as a good thing for increasing fertility!
 
So a few questions, sorry if they’ve been covered

if we talk arable crops, from the point at which I spread my final dose of n this spring / early summer I can’t apply any products containing any significant n before next feb unless it’s osr or grass I’m establishing?

if I’m establishing grass or OSr is my application rate limited to 30kg/n /ha?

if I have permanent grass where do I stand?

thanks for the help
 
So a few questions, sorry if they’ve been covered

if we talk arable crops, from the point at which I spread my final dose of n this spring / early summer I can’t apply any products containing any significant n before next feb unless it’s osr or grass I’m establishing?

if I’m establishing grass or OSr is my application rate limited to 30kg/n /ha?

if I have permanent grass where do I stand?

thanks for the help
No - 30 kg limit for OSR is from manufactured N
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
NFFN Member
So a few questions, sorry if they’ve been covered

if we talk arable crops, from the point at which I spread my final dose of n this spring / early summer I can’t apply any products containing any significant n before next feb unless it’s osr or grass I’m establishing?

if I’m establishing grass or OSr is my application rate limited to 30kg/n /ha?

if I have permanent grass where do I stand?

thanks for the help
Surely permanent grass had growth potential and, therefore, nutrient need any time the average temperature exceeds 4C? The question then is whether the that need is being met without additional nutrients being provided.....
 
Well that was my thoughts, there are, rightly or wrongly manly livestock farmers who geared their business toward solid only production at the beginning of the nvz rules and legitimately until now have had no storage and spread most days, are they ok to do that or not? Similarly there are many either not in nvz or only partly in nvz and so currently don’t have 5 months storage and there are some with 5 months storage who meet nvz regs but rely on spreading until either sept 15 or Oct 15th, when must they stop on existing grassland? When isn’t there a nutrient requirement? You can get grass growth any day of the yr here but im sure that isn’t justification for spreading every day.

it’s a job not to fall foul of the rules when you don’t know what they are.

if I plan to spread manure on existing grass next week do I need to email the ea?
 
Working on EA logic should we be precluded from planting cereals after pulses, as they are classified a s a source of elevated N due to the breakdown of haulm & roots etc?? If not, why not. And if not, surely that reduces logic behind ban of ore cereal organics. Pulses were lauded by most governmental bodies as a good thing for increasing fertility!

Don’t give them any ideas.
 

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