Autumn manure banned

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Seems more aimed at sludge and slurry than FYM. Can most really argue they couldn’t possibly store FYM until spring?

If this is going the standard of regulatory statement to give us guidance going forward heaven help us!


The target as always is manures and sludge with highly available nitrogen. The 5kg/haN noted excuses most FYM straw based materials by my reckoning. This is the beginning of the end for poultry manure being spread in Autumn. More broiler litter will be burnt. Layer manure more troblesome - free range!? Import eggs - who knows with this Tory Government. Pigs on slats to generate slurry
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
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Rutland
The target as always is manures and sludge with highly available nitrogen. The 5kg/haN noted excuses most FYM straw based materials by my reckoning. This is the beginning of the end for poultry manure being spread in Autumn. More broiler litter will be burnt. Layer manure more troblesome - free range!? Import eggs - who knows with this Tory Government. Pigs on slats to generate slurry

But before you can spread you must:

Conditions you must comply with
You must comply with the requirements of:
  • the contingency plan
Contingency plan
You must show that options 1 to 4 in the following hierarchy are not feasible before you follow option 5.

  1. Store the organic manure at the place of production.
  2. Store the organic manure at the place of use.
  3. Send the organic manure to an off-site anaerobic digestion plant or other effluent treatment plant, including at a sewage treatment works.
  4. Store the organic manure off-site.

So if you can store it you cannot spread it in the autumn unless you can show crop need at time of application.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
But before you can spread you must:




So if you can store it you cannot spread it in the autumn unless you can show crop need at time of application.

Yes B'o'B that is going to be the key interpretation. Our government does seem as Warks Farmer has said on may occassions somewhat determined to end Agriculture in the UK, or at least Agriculture as we know it. Quite oddd. Hey ho.
 

Michael S

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Arable Farmer
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Matching Green
But before you can spread you must:




So if you can store it you cannot spread it in the autumn unless you can show crop need at time of application.

That is the way I read it. Basically you can store it forever but no allowance is made for the practicalities of spreading it in the spring on heavy land. In my case it would have to be on a crop of winter wheat so no incorporation. At a practical level my Shelbourne spreader could just about make 16m (half tramline) if I really overspeed it and going at a low rate any uneveness probably wouldn't be agronomically an issue. Nonetheless all that tramping around in a growing crop maybe an issue if it is a wet spring. I will have to do some working out.

I am interested to see what will happen with the sludge heaps sitting in fields round here this autumn - it seems to me that it is already in storage so it will have to wait until the spring?
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
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Rutland
Yes B'o'B that is going to be the key interpretation. Our government does seem as Warks Farmer has said on may occassions somewhat determined to end Agriculture in the UK, or at least Agriculture as we know it. Quite oddd. Hey ho.
B'o'B heads of to see if there's a Park Keepers Union...
Looks like that's where we are headed!
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
B'o'B heads of to see if there's a Park Keepers Union...
Looks like that's where we are headed!

Carbon sequestration seems the direction of travel. As for Parks you may care to watch the Wildlife Trust webinar tomorrow evening. You will find a link on Craig what is name Twitter feed. That is the future. Middle Class, well pensioned folk detached from reality. I seem surrounded by them in Lincolnshire village. Hey ho.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Essex
You may not think it’s the end of the world but it’s a tadge awkward when you don’t grow any spring crops 😡
I never used to grow any spring crops but changed my system, not because of muck spreading though. If I didn't grow spring crops, I would still avoid spreading before a winter cereal because I wouldn't want to waste nutrients and I wouldn't want to cause avoidable pollution.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
That is the way I read it. Basically you can store it forever but no allowance is made for the practicalities of spreading it in the spring on heavy land. In my case it would have to be on a crop of winter wheat so no incorporation. At a practical level my Shelbourne spreader could just about make 16m (half tramline) if I really overspeed it and going at a low rate any uneveness probably wouldn't be agronomically an issue. Nonetheless all that tramping around in a growing crop maybe an issue if it is a wet spring. I will have to do some working out.

I am interested to see what will happen with the sludge heaps sitting in fields round here this autumn - it seems to me that it is already in storage so it will have to wait until the spring?

NVZ regulation stipulate field heaps maximum period 12 months in one place!
 

D14

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That is the way I read it. Basically you can store it forever but no allowance is made for the practicalities of spreading it in the spring on heavy land. In my case it would have to be on a crop of winter wheat so no incorporation. At a practical level my Shelbourne spreader could just about make 16m (half tramline) if I really overspeed it and going at a low rate any uneveness probably wouldn't be agronomically an issue. Nonetheless all that tramping around in a growing crop maybe an issue if it is a wet spring. I will have to do some working out.

I am interested to see what will happen with the sludge heaps sitting in fields round here this autumn - it seems to me that it is already in storage so it will have to wait until the spring?

So all those farmers with the heaps have to change their cropping to solely spring crops?
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I am interested to see what will happen with the sludge heaps sitting in fields round here this autumn - it seems to me that it is already in storage so it will have to wait until the spring?

Especially the ones within 10m of a ditch of land drain...so almost every one on this part of Lincolnshire.
 
The Conservative party ceased to exist the moment Cameron got elected, how the hell did we ever let the spreading of farmyard manure get dictated to by dates rather than weather conditions, it's pretty obvious that the moment that date is reached every farmer & his mate will be out spreading as fast as he can, what happens if we then have one of these torrential downpours the day after?

If you have a torrential downpour next day that causes run off, you will be in trouble for not taking notice of the forecast the day before you spread.

And that’ll be the forecast the EA use, not the one you found that just said “light drizzle “.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
Especially the ones within 10m of a ditch of land drain...so almost every one on this part of Lincolnshire.
We could always move them while (or if) it is dry this autumn!

Yep Michael S could and some may but most will not. Most I suggest will carry on as have done for past decades and just wait to see if an EA van with Police support with blues and twos going arrives to arrest the muck spreader man. Could be fun in the next few weeks. Hey ho.

This Autumn I suggest will be a fiasco with most just pressing on. But this Conservative government has today drawn a line in the sand.
 
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N.Yorks.

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Especially the ones within 10m of a ditch of land drain...so almost every one on this part of Lincolnshire.
No they'll get away with it this year OK as:

"no available storage for treated sludge from sewage plants treating domestic or urban waste waters (biosolids), supplied within a contract with the sludge producer, followed by unavoidable spreading on cropped land with an application that exceeds the needs of the soil and crop"

Anything out there in a field heap will be signed up as a contract (at least it is in Anglian water and Yorkshire Water areas) so they'll spread it as long as they do the RPS stuff.
 

4course

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Location
north yorks
Yes B'o'B that is going to be the key interpretation. Our government does seem as Warks Farmer has said on may occassions somewhat determined to end Agriculture in the UK, or at least Agriculture as we know it. Quite oddd. Hey ho.
the gov is just following their predecessors, coal steel chemical car etc,basically hell bent on ending all manufacturing and farming/food and relying on the service industry which can, is ,and will, move abroad by the click of a mouse
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Haven't read this all but :banghead::banghead::banghead: Only have a modest quantity of fym but spreading it in spring is completely impractical on our ground. Will have to start growing OSR!
 

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